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RKBUmp Sun May 20, 2012 11:15pm

Notre Dame, UA interference call
 
Bottom of 4th inning, anyone catch the play? R1, batter hits line drive in direction of F4. R1 has to hold for possible fly out, F4 short hops ball and throws to F6 at 2nd for force. R1 now heading to 2nd, F6 makes throw to 1st into runner who is directly in baseline. Umpires rule interference on retired runner, call BR out. As has been discussed on many posts, runner cannot simply dissappear from the field after being retired.

MD Longhorn Mon May 21, 2012 09:51am

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 842681)
Bottom of 4th inning, anyone catch the play? R1, batter hits line drive in direction of F4. R1 has to hold for possible fly out, F4 short hops ball and throws to F6 at 2nd for force. R1 now heading to 2nd, F6 makes throw to 1st into runner who is directly in baseline. Umpires rule interference on retired runner, call BR out. As has been discussed on many posts, runner cannot simply dissappear from the field after being retired.

Personally, I thought the runner was trying to get OUT of the way, and absolutely not intentionally interfering. Bad call IMHO.

KJUmp Mon May 21, 2012 07:32pm

Except for not being able to see it from U3's position, (which I guess would be a camera shot from LCF) looking from 2nd to 1st, I've got nothing.

RKB....thanks for the link and posting the video of the play.

ronald Wed May 23, 2012 11:53am

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 842681)
Bottom of 4th inning, anyone catch the play? R1, batter hits line drive in direction of F4. R1 has to hold for possible fly out, F4 short hops ball and throws to F6 at 2nd for force. R1 now heading to 2nd, F6 makes throw to 1st into runner who is directly in baseline. Umpires rule interference on retired runner, call BR out. As has been discussed on many posts, runner cannot simply dissappear from the field after being retired.

Did she slide? I was taught if the throw is not errant and the runner stays up and gets hit, it is intererence by rr.

Dakota Wed May 23, 2012 12:05pm

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Originally Posted by ronald (Post 843041)
Did she slide? I was taught if the throw is not errant and the runner stays up and gets hit, it is intererence by rr.

Slide?? She was 30 feet from the bag!

MD Longhorn Wed May 23, 2012 12:16pm

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Originally Posted by ronald (Post 843041)
Did she slide? I was taught if the throw is not errant and the runner stays up and gets hit, it is intererence by rr.

They taught you that runners closer to 1st than 2nd have to slide?

RKBUmp Wed May 23, 2012 01:01pm

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Originally Posted by ronald (Post 843041)
Did she slide? I was taught if the throw is not errant and the runner stays up and gets hit, it is intererence by rr.

Where in the rules does it say a runner must slide? The only mention of it is to avoid a collision if the defender is standing there waiting to make a tag. There was no tag being made on this play, and as as just mentioned she was maybe 1/2 way between 1st and 2nd. Slide for what? Ive seen some pretty good slides, but none that went 30'.

ronald Wed May 23, 2012 03:27pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 843044)
They taught you that runners closer to 1st than 2nd have to slide?

no. i did not know she was 30 feet from the bag.

ronald Wed May 23, 2012 03:28pm

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Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 843043)
Slide?? She was 30 feet from the bag!

why did not someone say that in the first place. not everyone has internet at home:D

ronald Wed May 23, 2012 03:36pm

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 842681)
Bottom of 4th inning, anyone catch the play? R1, batter hits line drive in direction of F4. R1 has to hold for possible fly out, F4 short hops ball and throws to F6 at 2nd for force. R1 now heading to 2nd, F6 makes throw to 1st into runner who is directly in baseline. Umpires rule interference on retired runner, call BR out. As has been discussed on many posts, runner cannot simply dissappear from the field after being retired.

what does the NCAA rule book and interpretations say on this?

Above, it says umpires ruled interference. I find it hard to believe that 3 of the yahoos got together and came up with the incorrect ruling. I could be wrong. But god helps us if that is true.

We expect the batter to figure out where a loose ball is so she or he does not get plucked by a throw from the catcher (i believe we have said that is interference). And now the runner can see she is out by 30 feet and can not do something to get out of the way of the incoming missle. That does not add up to me.

Explanations, please and thank you. Why you guys are helping out I will ask one of my UIC's.

RKBUmp Wed May 23, 2012 03:48pm

Recording 201252274241 - YouTube

Perhaps watching the video will explain it. She did in fact check up, and when she realized the ball was going to hit her she did try to get out of the way. F6 simply drilled her, she had no chance.

Dakota Wed May 23, 2012 03:58pm

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Originally Posted by ronald (Post 843076)
why did not someone say that in the first place. not everyone has internet at home:D

Ummm.... so how are you responding? Telepathic connection? :D

Dakota Wed May 23, 2012 04:01pm

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Originally Posted by ronald (Post 843079)
...Above, it says umpires ruled interference. I find it hard to believe that 3 of the yahoos got together and came up with the incorrect ruling. I could be wrong. But god helps us if that is true...

The nail in the coffin for this being a bad call is the fact that there was no play to interfere with. The BR had already achieved 1B before the time of the throw.

PSUchem Wed May 23, 2012 04:05pm

It seems there are always 2 camps of officials with differing calls for the runner who gets beaned by the throw while traveling from 1B to 2B. Those who state that the runner must not interfere with the play no matter what, and those who state that as long as the runner is doing what they are "supposed to" and do not perform an "act" to cause interference, there is no interference.

Camp #1 would call the a play like this interference; camp #2 would not.

HOWEVER, regardless of which camp you live in, IMHO there was no way that on this play either camp should have an interference call. There is no way that the throw would have beaten the BR to 1B. The BR was on or 1/2 step away from 1B when the throw was released. The runner could not have possibly interfered with the play, which we define as an opportunity to record an out.

Now, did the umpire have the wherewithal to think to him/herself "Hmmm, would the BR have been safe anyway?"... probably not.

Edit: Dakota beat me to it.

ronald Wed May 23, 2012 04:11pm

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Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 843087)
Ummm.... so how are you responding? Telepathic connection? :D

for a while, yes:D. last night my daughter got her foot caught in the computer cord and knocked the computer down and it is out now. have to go the library and that is not going to happen everyday.


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