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DTQ_Blue Tue May 01, 2012 08:34pm

When is F2 out of catcher's box
 
I had an F2 setting up with most of her for on the back line of the batter's box and the point of her foot actually in it. At what point is F2 considered to be out of her box?

DTQ_Blue Tue May 01, 2012 08:36pm

Most of her left foot...

umpirebob71 Wed May 02, 2012 08:45am

When she's out of the box.

DaveASA/FED Wed May 02, 2012 09:51am

I think this would be like all other line issues, on the line is within the box. So if any part of her foot was still on the lines that define the catchers box then the catcher is still within the box.

Dakota Wed May 02, 2012 10:22am

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Originally Posted by umpirebob71 (Post 839866)
When she's out of the box.

Thanks! That helps, I'm sure! :rolleyes:

Dakota Wed May 02, 2012 10:22am

Like Dave said, when she has one foot on the ground completely out of the box.

IRISHMAFIA Wed May 02, 2012 11:27am

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Originally Posted by DTQ_Blue (Post 839819)
I had an F2 setting up with most of her for on the back line of the batter's box and the point of her foot actually in it. At what point is F2 considered to be out of her box?

Was she in a position to possible obstruct the batter or where she could be injured by the batter's swing? If not, don't care.

EsqUmp Thu May 03, 2012 06:55am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 839895)
Was she in a position to possible obstruct the batter or where she could be injured by the batter's swing? If not, don't care.

So you are going to ignore the rule? Any others you want to ignore?

What if she was doing it on a pitch out to gain an advantage? Ignore that too?

azbigdawg Thu May 03, 2012 07:38am

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 840001)
So you are going to ignore the rule? Any others you want to ignore?

What if she was doing it on a pitch out to gain an advantage? Ignore that too?

Do you officiate basketball by any chance?

Dakota Thu May 03, 2012 09:24am

This is a call that should NEVER (ok, rarely) be made.

Why?

The rule says the pitcher shall not deliver the pitch until "all available defensive players are positioned in fair territory, except the catcher who must be in the catcher’s box."

If you see this violation, you hold up the pitch. If you don't see the violation, you can't make the call, can you? I can see a last minute step out just before the pitch resulting in a call, but, as the OP states it, "setting up" outside of the box? Hold up the pitch, and instruct the catcher to get in the box.

SRW Thu May 03, 2012 09:25am

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 840001)
So you are going to ignore the rule? Any others you want to ignore?

What if she was doing it on a pitch out to gain an advantage? Ignore that too?

Read ASA R/S #8.

And it would help you to sit back for a few months and just read this forum instead of posting nonsense on it.

Andy Thu May 03, 2012 10:07am

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Originally Posted by SRW (Post 840032)
Read ASA R/S #8.

And it would help you to sit back for a few months and just read this forum instead of posting nonsense on it.

Just got yourself labeled as another clone.......:eek:

BretMan Thu May 03, 2012 10:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 839895)
Was she in a position to possible obstruct the batter or where she could be injured by the batter's swing? If not, don't care.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 840001)
So you are going to ignore the rule? Any others you want to ignore?

What if she was doing it on a pitch out to gain an advantage? Ignore that too?

Your eagerness to bust somebody's chops and be confrontational apparently has you taking statements out of context...again.

The original question involves a catcher with her foot on the line of the batter's box.

It has been established that this is legal positioning for F2.

I read Irish's post to be saying that if the catcher is so positioned (ie: with a foot on the lines of the box), then he's not going to worry about that. No one should, because it's legal. But if there also happens to be a safety or possible obstruction issue due to F2's otherwise legal positioning, then you "worry about it" and address it.

He's not saying that if the catcher is illegally positioned, he's going to ignore it.

IRISHMAFIA Thu May 03, 2012 11:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 840001)
So you are going to ignore the rule? Any others you want to ignore?

What if she was doing it on a pitch out to gain an advantage? Ignore that too?

How about you providing a citation of what rule you think I'm chosing to ignore?

Nevermind, that would be a waste of time setting you up for what the gentleman from the great Northwest has already posted.

MrRabbit Thu May 03, 2012 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 840044)
Just got yourself labeled as another clone.......:eek:

Having known SRW for years and umpire with him many times.
I will say there is no way that you can clone him, he is one of a kind.

Please go back to your post and put a few smiley faces on it.

SRW Sun May 06, 2012 09:00am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 840061)
... the gentleman from the great Northwest ...

I thought you knew me better than that... :confused:

SRW Sun May 06, 2012 09:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrRabbit (Post 840084)
Having known SRW for years and umpire with him many times.
I will say there is no way that you can clone him, he is one of a kind.

Please go back to your post and put a few smiley faces on it.

It's all good. I know Andy's joking. :)

Steve M Sun May 06, 2012 08:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTQ_Blue (Post 839819)
I had an F2 setting up with most of her for on the back line of the batter's box and the point of her foot actually in it. At what point is F2 considered to be out of her box?

What does the rule book say regarding this? Let's start with the sanctioning body and their rule book.

tcannizzo Sun May 06, 2012 08:46pm

Asa rs#8

txtrooper Mon May 07, 2012 11:21pm

Originally Posted by SRW
Read ASA R/S #8.

And it would help you to sit back for a few months and just read this forum instead of posting nonsense on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy (Post 840044)
just got yourself labeled as another clone.......:eek:

+1


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