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Dakota Fri Jun 13, 2003 05:01pm

http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/cussing.gif http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/frust.gif http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/madgo.gif What is it with the cheap binding???? For 2 years in a row, if I use the book at all, it starts falling apart!! C'mon ASA - make a book that can be USED!!!

greymule Fri Jun 13, 2003 06:10pm

A spiral bound book would be nice. You could open it to a page and then lay it flat. Laminated pages would be a help, too. However, $$$.

IRISHMAFIA Fri Jun 13, 2003 09:29pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Dakota
http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/cussing.gif http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/frust.gif http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/madgo.gif What is it with the cheap binding???? For 2 years in a row, if I use the book at all, it starts falling apart!! C'mon ASA - make a book that can be USED!!!
I have no problem with mine, and I'm sure your aware it gets used quite a bit.

Dakota Sat Jun 14, 2003 12:36am

Quote:

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
Quote:

Originally posted by Dakota
http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/cussing.gif http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/frust.gif http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/madgo.gif What is it with the cheap binding???? For 2 years in a row, if I use the book at all, it starts falling apart!! C'mon ASA - make a book that can be USED!!!
I have no problem with mine, and I'm sure your aware it gets used quite a bit.

I guess I was assuming the binding was the same everywhere, but last year by the end of the season, my rule book had almost as much scotch tape holding it together as it had pages. So far this year, my rule book is already in three pieces - I haven't taped it back together yet. Yours must have a better binding 'cause I don't abuse it - I just use it (although I've never been able to read a paperback without creasing the back in several places & when I do that with the ASA rule book, it just comes apart!)

Del-Blue Sat Jun 14, 2003 05:00am

Mike,

I think Diane takes her book to KINKOS, and they make her a book with a spiral. Looks pertty good. I think it costs about 10 bucks.

whiskers_ump Sat Jun 14, 2003 01:47pm

Good to hear that I am not the only one having the problem
of my rule book falling apart. I thought I was abusing it.
Both this year's and last were in pieces. I sent last years
to a member of this board by request and had to apologize for
its condition.

The associations that have the "book" on-line, I print and put
in a binder.

Maybe Mike can get ASA to on-line theirs so we can do the same.
Just funning you Mike. [guess I could type it, and print it, but
then I would not have time to call any ball.]

glen

[Edited by whiskers_ump on Jun 14th, 2003 at 01:50 PM]

shipwreck Sat Jun 14, 2003 08:54pm

Same with mine the past two years. I went back and found books from 2000 and 2001 and the bindings on both are perfect. Dave

IRISHMAFIA Sat Jun 14, 2003 09:15pm

Quote:

Originally posted by whiskers_ump
Good to hear that I am not the only one having the problem
of my rule book falling apart. I thought I was abusing it.
Both this year's and last were in pieces. I sent last years
to a member of this board by request and had to apologize for
its condition.

The associations that have the "book" on-line, I print and put
in a binder.

Maybe Mike can get ASA to on-line theirs so we can do the same.
Just funning you Mike. [guess I could type it, and print it, but
then I would not have time to call any ball.]

glen


Glen,

You might recall that I addressed this issue with the Deputy Director of ASA Umpires.

I think I can comfortably say I've done my share on this issue.

:)




scottk_61 Sat Jun 14, 2003 09:46pm

It works
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Del-Blue
Mike,

I think Diane takes her book to KINKOS, and they make her a book with a spiral. Looks pertty good. I think it costs about 10 bucks.

We did this with a few for members of our association and it is very handy,
I think we paid about 5 or 6 buck for it
I intend to do this same thing every year now.
No torn cover, no lost pages...

Look into it

whiskers_ump Sat Jun 14, 2003 09:49pm

Quote:

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
Quote:

Originally posted by whiskers_ump
Good to hear that I am not the only one having the problem
of my rule book falling apart. I thought I was abusing it.
Both this year's and last were in pieces. I sent last years
to a member of this board by request and had to apologize for
its condition.

The associations that have the "book" on-line, I print and put
in a binder.

Maybe Mike can get ASA to on-line theirs so we can do the same.
Just funning you Mike. [guess I could type it, and print it, but
then I would not have time to call any ball.]

glen


Glen,

You might recall that I addressed this issue with the Deputy Director of ASA Umpires.

I think I can comfortably say I've done my share on this issue.</b>

:)
Mike,
I know that you have because you have always kept the board
updated on items like this, and I and am sure others, applaud
your efforts. http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/clap.gif. Seems to me since we don't actually buy the books
per say, [ just pay our dues :)] they could slack up just a
little.

glen





Skahtboi Sun Jun 15, 2003 05:31pm

I haven't had any problems with any of my ASA rulebooks past or present.

Steve M Mon Jun 16, 2003 03:07am

I've been taking all my rule books to Staples & had them bound for the past several years. I think the cost was about $14 to get the following:
Fed rule book, case book, umpire manual into 1 binding
Fed bb rule book & case book into 1 binding
ASA book bound
NCAA book bound

It is convenient & takes less than 20 minutes.

Steve M

whiskers_ump Mon Jun 16, 2003 05:44am

Now thata's gooda ideal

Thanks Steve,

glen

smsuatroy Wed Jun 18, 2003 06:09am

You can take the rule book to Kinko"s and they will put a spiral binder on it and tab each section for you.

Dakota Wed Jun 18, 2003 08:42am

The binding idea (Kinkos, Staples, whatever) is a solution, but it should be unnecessary, and it doubles the cost of the book each year. Before last year, the book would be battered, dog-eared, back broken, marked up, etc., but it held together.

Now, all you have to do is open it to more than a 45 degree angle, and pages break away from the binding. Cheap, cheap, cheap. I guess ASA saved a nickel per copy with the low bidder for publishing their book, but in the process, only made the book useful for those who drop it in the bottom of their equipment bag and never use it.

Go back to your previous printer, ASA, or crack down on the shoddy workmanship of the current printer.

ASA has made the Case Book so it can be used... how about doing the same for the rule book? Offer a $double price rule book with a loose leaf binder, and tabs for each rule, the POE section, the index, and the umpire manual sections. Then, offer annual refills at the current paperback price. I'd go for that.


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