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IRISHMAFIA Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:43am

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 825392)
Oops, sorry... Brain fart. Wasn't thinking before typing.

Would a glove with the extra thumb even be legal? That's what I meant to ask.

I would say not.

I wouldn't think so as long at the glove met all the specs. However, I'm not even talking about a special glove. I'm talking about any old ball glove.

This used to be something everyone had to do when playing one of our three daily games of baseball as a kid because no everyone had their own glove and not everyone threw with the same arm.

MD Longhorn Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:10am

Softball doesn't have a rule for this - as they have specific timing requirement for both batter and pitcher - and like most here, I would call time once for the batter, but once it was clear what was going on, I'd make her get in the box and let the pitcher pitch.

However, in baseball this is specifically addressed - and it HAS happened (there have been 2 minor league switch pitchers in the past). The PITCHER must declare which hand they are pitching with, at which point the batter gets in their box.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:32pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 826281)
However, in baseball this is specifically addressed - and it HAS happened (there have been 2 minor league switch pitchers in the past). The PITCHER must declare which hand they are pitching with, at which point the batter gets in their box.

And why does the batter get the advantage? Because they are not as good as they claim to be. IMO, if your ability to hit relies upon the hand with which the ball is released, you are not good enough to be a pro ballplayer.

NCASAUmp Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:48pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 826307)
And why does the batter get the advantage? Because they are not as good as they claim to be. IMO, if your ability to hit relies upon the hand with which the ball is released, you are not good enough to be a pro ballplayer.

Probably because in baseball, a batter who fails only 70% of the time is still considered a "great hitter." The balance is already tipped heavily in the defense's favor, so why not tip it back a notch?

Andy Tue Feb 21, 2012 02:05pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 826314)
Probably because in baseball, a batter who fails only 70% of the time is still considered a "great hitter." The balance is already tipped heavily in the defense's favor, so why not tip it back a notch?

This is pretty much what I would base my ruling on.

I would think that this would be a much bigger issue in baseball than in FP softball.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Feb 21, 2012 06:32pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 826314)
Probably because in baseball, a batter who fails only 70% of the time is still considered a "great hitter." The balance is already tipped heavily in the defense's favor, so why not tip it back a notch?

Fine, then drop the mound 4 inches, but a true professional baseball hitter can hit the ball no matter where it is froming from.

SRW Wed Feb 22, 2012 09:55am

ASA 7.3.E. I got out #42.


;)

MD Longhorn Wed Feb 22, 2012 01:33pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 826419)
Fine, then drop the mound 4 inches, but a true professional baseball hitter can hit the ball no matter where it is froming from.

Even the very best "true professional baseball hitter" has a significantly lower chance hitting off a same-handed pitcher. For some hitters the difference approaches 1/3 - for some pitchers 1/2! The difference in just the pitch itself is vastly different between the two games.

IRISHMAFIA Wed Feb 22, 2012 06:27pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 826678)
Even the very best "true professional baseball hitter" has a significantly lower chance hitting off a same-handed pitcher. For some hitters the difference approaches 1/3 - for some pitchers 1/2! The difference in just the pitch itself is vastly different between the two games.

JMO, rubbish

MD Longhorn Wed Feb 22, 2012 06:29pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 826787)
JMO, rubbish

Which part? The statistics bear out both things I said.


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