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kono Wed Jun 04, 2003 08:59am

What is it with these guys that don't wear their gear. I've been seeing this more and more.

1st game in the State playoffs. PU again has no gear other than a mask, ball bag, and possibly(?) a cup.

It's clear from the getgo that F1 is not going to hit her spots. When my DD calls for an outside pitch, sets up for an outside pitch, and it comes in the dirt inside - there ain't a whole lot she can do about it. Blue is gonna take some shots.

By the 5th inning or so, Blue is tired of taking his shots (he's been nailed 3 or 4 times). DD is frustrated because F1 isn't anywhere close to hitting spots and is still in the game (that's another pet peeve, but I won't get into that). Blue takes a shot on the shin. The next pitch comes in low (ball 4)and PU does a funny little dance for nothing that has everyone laughing. Someone offers him my gear which they know is in my truck. He mentions to Steph that it's her fault that he's getting beat up.

Bad move. Steph turns around and tells him that it wouldn't hurt so much if he had some gear on. The rest of the game, they were snipping at each other - I was surprised that she didn't get tossed. Considering the game situation, I'm not sure she would have minded.

Was she wrong for her comments?? Yup! Did Blue deserve them?? Yup!

-Kono

Dakota Wed Jun 04, 2003 09:31am

I don't get it either (as I've said before). Sure, it is unlikely that getting hit in a 10U rec game will be fatal (but not beyond the realm of possibility), but in a State playoff???? What is this guy trying to prove? Why does this guy even get assigned to the state tournament? It his brother-in-law in charge of assigning umpires? He can't be doing a quality job and doing duck and cover at the same time.

kono Wed Jun 04, 2003 09:43am

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Originally posted by Dakota
Why does this guy even get assigned to the state tournament? It his brother-in-law in charge of assigning umpires? He can't be doing a quality job and doing duck and cover at the same time.
I've been seeing this more and more. For some reason though, this year it seems to be the rule more than the exception. I don't think my daughter could name 3 games where PU had gear.

FWIW - this is high school ball. The only thing our F1 had going for her all year was speen and occasional accuracy. A lot of balls in the dirt. My daughter does a pretty good job stopping most of them, but with some of them, there's not much she can do.

I sent an E-mail to the CIAC. Hopefully I'll get a response.

-Kono

Steve M Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:04am

Can't say that I have much sympathy for one of us who chooses to work the plate with no gear & gets hit.

Steve M

kono Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:08am

Am I the only one that sees this more and more, or are others seeing this too???????????????

Dakota Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:17am

Here is what I see...

No chest protector at 12U or below (<u>very</u> common).
No chest protector anytime (frequent, but not as common as for the little kids).
Use of soccer-style half-shin protectors (all levels).
No plate shoes (<u>very</u> common).

Personally, I've taken too many "foul tips to the ..." (using TV announcer-speak) knee caps, shoulders, shins, feet, etc., even with the little kids to go without the gear. Not to mention wild pitches (even though not real fast, they still don't feel very good bouncing off the shins!). But, I'm not into macho pain, and I prefer to stand in to see the pitch, instead of dodging and ducking.

JEL Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:38am

I am very tolerant to pain. Contrary to fan opinion, I am not stupid, I wear mine. Learn to love your gear, it is your friend! I got used to having mine on so much that at one game, after calling plate the first game, I was into the bottom of the second inning, game two and realized I had my shin gaurds on! I can take the pain, but sure dont want to! Also, dont league, or association rules mandate protective equipment? they should. Just my opinion....

Striker991 Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:46am

Learned my lesson
 
I didn't want to buy plate shoes, so I held off. Wore everything else, though. Then, a Senior League softball pitcher bounced two hard ones right off my left big toe. Went to Honig's and bought them the next day. Is there a stipulation in insurance for not wearing the proper gear? There certainly should be.

kono Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:54am

Quote:

Originally posted by JEL
Also, dont league, or association rules mandate protective equipment? they should. Just my opinion....
Little League requires mask, chest protector, and cup. Shin guards are optional, but highly recommended.

As for other leagues and the whatnot, I would bet it is the association that sets the standards. Leagues just want someone that can call ball/strikes/etc. I doubt that they worry about anything else when working with an association.

-Kono

kono Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:59am

Re: Learned my lesson
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Striker991
I didn't want to buy plate shoes, so I held off. Wore everything else, though. Then, a Senior League softball pitcher bounced two hard ones right off my left big toe.
I think it was GCB that had a foul ball break a toe. After that story, I went out and found a pair of steel-toe sneakers at Wal-Mart. $25 - a lot less expensive than real plate shoes, and adequate for LL (until I take a foul ball off the top of the foot ;-).

CecilOne Wed Jun 04, 2003 11:53am

Quote:

Originally posted by Dakota
I don't get it either (as I've said before). Sure, it is unlikely that getting hit in a 10U rec game will be fatal (but not beyond the realm of possibility), but in a State playoff???? What is this guy trying to prove? Why does this guy even get assigned to the state tournament? It his brother-in-law in charge of assigning umpires? He can't be doing a quality job and doing duck and cover at the same time.
First of all, 10&U are capable of injuring you. I had a lump and bruise on the back of my hand from Sunday until yesterday. I guess it's a mix of false bravado and cheapness. I naively started out with just a cup and mask, but learned the hard way pretty quickly.
Second of all, beyond availability, assignments are as much political as anything. In HS States here, it's pretty much the coaches' friends and those who have been here the longest.

Skahtboi Wed Jun 04, 2003 01:17pm

I had a friend several years back not wear a chest protector at a 10U state tourney because of the heat that day. (I think that at this time the temp was around 103). Anyway, she took a foul shot off of a bat straight into her shoulder and separated it. Ended her season right then and there. Tough way to learn, but you will never see her, even in rec leagues, calling any age without a chest protector these days.

As for the idiots who continually go out on the field without the proper equipment, I have no sympathy for them either. My belief is, if you own it, wear it. It isn't doing anyone any good sitting in your gear bag.

DownTownTonyBrown Wed Jun 04, 2003 01:34pm

I work both baseball and softball. Having spent several hundred dollars on gear, I WEAR ALL OF IT, ALWAYS.

But less I mislead you, I don't wear it because I spent the money on it. I wear it because I don't want to get hurt. Despite what anybody might say, that ball is not under control. There is someone between me and the pitcher swinging at it and changing it's direction. High school pitchers are completely capable of breaking collar bones, wrists etc. My 10 year-old could probably break something on me with a baseball. I wear my gear. I shake my head at those idiots that don't, and never fail to tell them the obvious mistake they are making.

I don't play Russian Roulette and I feel naked when riding in someone's car if the seatbelts don't work.

For anybody that needs to listen: buy good gear and wear it. :)

Rachel Wed Jun 04, 2003 06:15pm

I realize that I'm preaching to the choir here but I ALWAYS wear my gear. I did U10 once and got pounded by softballs. I'll do college and not get hit at all. The day after I bought my first pair of plate shoes I was doing men's fastpitch and the catcher stepped back with his steel cleats and put a gouge in my shoe. If I would have had regular shoes I think my toe would have been gone.

ASA/NYSSOBLUE Wed Jun 04, 2003 08:05pm

I ALWAYS up grade my gear every year...still havent bought plate shows, but I bought the good leg guards with the side and top flats...Will never understand the thinking behind not even wearing a CUP!!! As the late Bernie Berman alway stold us: "If ya dont wear a cup-YOURE NUTS!"

JEL Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:36pm

Oh yeah, Shingaurds---10U---the ball in the shins may not hurt much, but the slung bat will make you say a dirty word! BTW, sadly in the Atlanta area recently, a young boy I believe to be 13 was killed by a pitch while at bat. These balls CAN do damage.

chris s Thu Jun 05, 2003 07:35pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Dakota
Here is what I see...

No chest protector at 12U or below (<u>very</u> common).
No chest protector anytime (frequent, but not as common as for the little kids).
Use of soccer-style half-shin protectors (all levels).
No plate shoes (<u>very</u> common).

Personally, I've taken too many "foul tips to the ..." (using TV announcer-speak) knee caps, shoulders, shins, feet, etc., even with the little kids to go without the gear. Not to mention wild pitches (even though not real fast, they still don't feel very good bouncing off the shins!). But, I'm not into macho pain, and I prefer to stand in to see the pitch, instead of dodging and ducking.

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The duck and dodge.....THAT is what ticks me the most with these guys. I work from FED summer/JUCO to 9-10's . Same gear all games, had a guy working my kids 12U's on saturday, JCPenny pants, decent shirt, brown 2 tone loafer type shoes. No ball bag(carried the extra in his hand, clicker in other)....no plate brush( I guess his shoe sole worked better)...strong point, WV mask and hat worn properly. Looked like rookie, acted as one also, but......whatcha gonna do?????

MichaelVA2000 Fri Jun 06, 2003 03:09pm

Gear
 
I don't get nailed that often behind the dish but when I do it's a doozie. I've gotten to the point where if I'm watching a sports event on TV I put a cup on!

alabamabluezebra Sun Jun 08, 2003 06:54pm

Thank God for equipment
 
I always wear the full complement of equipment. While working a 12U game last night, I took a wild pitch in the cup. It was a clean shot that nearly took me to my knees. There was a guy in our association that never wore a cup only shin guards and a mask. I can only imagine the pain I would have experienced without my cup. After gaining my composure, I gave the count in a high pitched voice. The crowd got a big kick from my little bit of self-humility!

BigUmpJohn Sun Jun 08, 2003 09:40pm

Question...

Does anyone wear a cup in SP? I understand FP completely and can't understand how anyone cannot go without the proper equipment. I was working two 10U games today and I got nailed in the "yoohoo" twice :(and in the chest once. The girl who nailed me in the chest was about 3 feet tall and I had to squat like a catcher to see if the ball was in the strike zone for her (I'm 6'2) and BAM... right in the chest. It stung a little, but it was fine. ;)

Also, it was 85 degrees :cool: on the field today and I was ROASTING in the new ASA umpire shirts. Does anyone else think that these shirts are extrememly hot also?

Thanks.

Dakota Mon Jun 09, 2003 09:39am

Quote:

Originally posted by BigUmpJohn
Does anyone else think that these shirts are extrememly hot also?
I'll have to get back to you on that, John. So far, I haven't done a tournament where I didn't wear my jacket at least part of the time. http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/cold.gif

CecilOne Mon Jun 09, 2003 10:34am

Quote:

Originally posted by BigUmpJohn
... snip ... Also, it was 85 degrees :cool: on the field today and I was ROASTING in the new ASA umpire shirts. Does anyone else think that these shirts are extrememly hot also?

Thanks.
Yes, they are hotter. Every chance I get, I wear a buttoned (Elbeco) shirt. But they are better than the old ASA pullover which absorbed more moisture and got very heavy.

BigUmpJohn Mon Jun 09, 2003 10:34pm

[QUOTE]So far, I haven't done a tournament where I didn't wear my jacket at least part of the time.[QUOTE]

Honestly, I'll settle for being cold rather than being a soaked towel any day of the week. :D

I know I couldn't be the only one who thinks these shirts are really warm, Cecil.

Dakota Tue Jun 10, 2003 11:11am

Well, I was just making a little joke about our late spring up here in Iceland (actually, MN).

The performance of these shirts can be made worse by laundering - do not use any type of fabric softener with these shirts; they should be hung up wet out of the washing maching to drip dry; use simple soaps, not the complex do-everything modern laundry detergents that can contain softeners, etc., in addition to the soap.


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