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CecilOne Mon Jan 16, 2012 04:55pm

Precedence & Priority
 
Rules in general, answer for any set, preferably NCAA, NFHS
When a definition is more specific or less ambiguous than the applicable rule:

Does the definiton take precedence?

Does the rule take precedence if not consistent with the definition?

Is there a consistent interpretation of the above?


Yes, I know I have not included a specific rule, but I want basic thought, not a digression into a specific rule.

NCASAUmp Mon Jan 16, 2012 05:24pm

The definitions, in my opinion, are the building blocks upon which all rules are based. They're the pre-established concepts of what is or isn't handled by the rules. They save the author(s) much time and effort in duplicating what only needs to be established once.

In other words, "this is obstruction" and "this is interference."

The subsequent rules, therefor, refer back to those definitions and prescribe their associated penalties/results.

In other words, "when obstruction occurs..." and "when interference occurs..."

The subsequent rules are free to elaborate, clarify, expound upon, provide exemptions for, and give additional requirements for the enforcement of the violated definitions. They may or may not be reflected in the definitions.

I give precedence to what is explicitly stated in one over another.

Dakota Mon Jan 16, 2012 08:47pm

The rules apply the definitions to the playing action described in the rule.

CecilOne Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:05pm

case 1
 
The NCAA definition includes hindrance of a runner,
but the baserunning rule just says OBS will be called if the fielder blocks the base w/o the ball (and not about to receive).
Literal reading gives some ambiguity.

Steve M Tue Jan 31, 2012 06:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 818633)
The NCAA definition includes hindrance of a runner,
but the baserunning rule just says OBS will be called if the fielder blocks the base w/o the ball (and not about to receive).
Literal reading gives some ambiguity.

I don't see the ambiguity.

MD Longhorn Wed Feb 01, 2012 02:47pm

Nor do I.

The definitions are just that - definitions of terms. Those terms are then used in the rules. The rules are meaningless without defining the terms, but the definitions are not rules - they are meaningless without being used in rules.

EsqUmp Wed Feb 01, 2012 06:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 818633)
The NCAA definition includes hindrance of a runner,
but the baserunning rule just says OBS will be called if the fielder blocks the base w/o the ball (and not about to receive).
Literal reading gives some ambiguity.


Hindrance is a general term used to describe the act by the defense. A base doesn't necessarily have to be "blocked" as the term implies for interference. For instance, BR rounding 1st base with no desire or chance to go to 2nd base who bumps into F3 was hindered. However, she wasn't "blocked" from the base. Blocking means literally blocking a base as the runner arrives.

All of the terms used within a definition should apply to the rule even if the rule chooses to list one adjective to address a play.

CecilOne Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve M (Post 818772)
I don't see the ambiguity.

Bear in mind, this is an "academic" discussion, not me questioning the rule.

The ambiguity is that the rule say OBS is called if the defender is blocking a base, not that the fielder blocking the base is OBS.
The "literal wording" leaves a gap between "obstruction is called" and being obstruction because it does not include hindrance or literally saying the blocking is OBS.
The wording could imply a connotation that the OBS is called for the sake of the penalty (where it says "obstruction is called") and not because it is OBS.

Yes, I know, semantics and all that, but an example for discussion to allow better understanding of other similar rule wording.

Also, it says base line not base path.

EsqUmp Fri Feb 03, 2012 06:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 819421)
Bear in mind, this is an "academic" discussion, not me questioning the rule.

Yes, I know, semantics and all that, but an example for discussion to allow better understanding of other similar rule wording.

Also, it says base line not base path.


NCAA, like most of the codes, repeats certain things too many times throughout the book. When they do that, they run the risk of using alternative language or worse, not changing all areas when there is a rule change.

In my opinion, all of the rule books are written at too high of a reading and comprehension level and the authors don't properly take into account the average umpire.


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