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AtlUmpSteve Sun Jan 29, 2012 07:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrRabbit (Post 817904)
No argument with that. But I find it funny that they called it a Safety Grip under Rule 3 Equipment in the 2011 book, do not have the 2012 book yet, but looked at the new rule on line and would take it that they dropped the word "Safety" from the rule, also did the word Safety get dropped from the knob rule?

Yet they are clear that it must have a grip.

So what is the the purpose of the grip if you do not have use it when batting and why if it is not for safety?

Why not just a bare handle?

I see the point as requiring the bat be as safe as realisticly optimal. No one can stop the batter from then using it in a less-than-safe manner.

Requiring the batter to only hold the bat on the grip would make the vast majority of bunt attempts illegal.

MrRabbit Sun Jan 29, 2012 08:07pm

"But the batter has NEVER been required to keep their hands on the grip, so there is nothing new there."

I can just it heard it... batter is gripping the bat above the 6" grip on bat and loses control of it and throws it into the stands cracking someones head.
In court for the law suit... judge to person with cracked skull, please show how she was holding the bat... they show that she was holding it above the 6" grip. Judge says so she was not using it correctly... ASA person, No your honor she is not required by book the hold it by the grip.

Yes but a motorcycle ride is only in danger of busting their own skull by not wearing their helmet.

MrRabbit Sun Jan 29, 2012 08:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 817924)
I see the point as requiring the bat be as safe as realisticly optimal. No one can stop the batter from then using it in a less-than-safe manner.

Requiring the batter to only hold the bat on the grip would make the vast majority of bunt attempts illegal.

That would be a time when it would be OK to remove a hand from the grip.

You are not likely to hit someone by losing control of a bat while bunting.

okla21fan Sun Jan 29, 2012 08:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrRabbit (Post 817933)
That would be a time when it would be OK to remove a hand from the grip.

You are not likely to hit someone by losing control of a bat while bunting.

Ever seen that whole '360 behind the back' slapper/bunt dealio? :D

IRISHMAFIA Sun Jan 29, 2012 09:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrRabbit (Post 817931)
Yes but a motorcycle ride is only in danger of busting their own skull by not wearing their helmet.

Which is irrelevant to my comment, but even if it were, using the helmet, or grip, does not preclude the possibilty the accident would not have happened if they were.:D

MrRabbit Tue Jan 31, 2012 04:29pm

All other things aside...

What was their reasoning behind changing the grip from 10 to 15 inches to 6 to 15 inches?

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jan 31, 2012 05:38pm

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Originally Posted by MrRabbit (Post 818729)
All other things aside...

What was their reasoning behind changing the grip from 10 to 15 inches to 6 to 15 inches?

There was no comment given for the change, it was part of the redefinition of the "grip".

NCASAUmp Tue Jan 31, 2012 08:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrRabbit (Post 818729)
All other things aside...

What was their reasoning behind changing the grip from 10 to 15 inches to 6 to 15 inches?

Because the players have been trying to pass 6" off for 10" for years?









I'll just let that one sink in. :D

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 818792)
Because the players have been trying to pass 6" off for 10" for years?









I'll just let that one sink in. :D

And from what I understand, Dave uses this line a lot....... :eek:;)

MrRabbit Wed Feb 01, 2012 01:17am

Knew my post would get some good replies.

I would like to know what they were drinking / smoking before they decide to make the change from 10 to 6.

You would think they had better rule changes to consider.

NCASAUmp Wed Feb 01, 2012 09:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 818832)
And from what I understand, Dave uses this line a lot....... :eek:;)

DOH! :p

okla21fan Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 818761)
There was no comment given for the change, it was part of the redefinition of the "grip".

Spoke with KR about this today in OKC, and he stated this was more of a slow pitch dealio and that there was a 'complaint' that SP players felt this was a waste of grip tape and 'expense'. (do SP players regrip their tape that much?... I have no clue)

but he also re-confirmed that the tape must 'begin at the knob' and that would be 're-inserted' in 2012 and was an over sight, and said this should come up in a future rules clarification on the website soon.


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