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jmkupka Sun Oct 09, 2011 06:17pm

Infield fly
 
IF in effect, I'm in C, fly ball (not sky-high, but higher than a humpback liner). Whatever... I didn't think F5 was camped out under it so my hand doesn't go up.
She doesn't catch it (of course). Not a catch and drop, just a flubbed shoestring miss, near 3B, custom made for a double-play. Which does happen.
OC freaks, "why no IF!!"
My partner defuses the situation "I have an IF"

We send the runners back to 1B & 2B, and everybody's happy. Even defense.

No way I'm overrulling this but I'm thinking, "This can't be right, right?"

I've heard it's never too late to invoke IF (to an extent), so is this the correct way to reconcile the late call (because the late call put the runners in jeopardy)?

RKBUmp Sun Oct 09, 2011 07:09pm

No defensive player has to be camped out under an IFF fly for it to be one. The rule merely says catchable with normal effort. If in the umpires judgement the ball got high enough and one of the infielders had a chance to catch the ball with normal effort, it is an IFF.

Also, IFF is actually the plate umpires call, and, no umpire has the authority to overrule anothers call. If the plate umpire felt his delay in the IFF call put the runners at jeapordy, then yes, the correct thing to do is to call the batter out on the IFF and put the base runners back to their original bases.

jr131981 Sun Oct 09, 2011 08:27pm

what rbk said...

just out of curiosity, where was F5 positioned before the pitch and where did the ball land?

jmkupka Mon Oct 10, 2011 06:54am

F5 was a little behind the 2B-3B line and the ball was about two-thirds up the 3B line...

CecilOne Mon Oct 10, 2011 09:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 792376)
No defensive player has to be camped out under an IFF fly for it to be one. The rule merely says catchable with normal effort. If in the umpires judgement the ball got high enough and one of the infielders had a chance to catch the ball with normal effort, it is an IFF.

Also, IFF is actually the plate umpires call, and, no umpire has the authority to overrule anothers call. If the plate umpire felt his delay in the IFF call put the runners at jeapordy, then yes, the correct thing to do is to call the batter out on the IFF and put the base runners back to their original bases.

IFFR is actually the plate umpires PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY

MD Longhorn Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 792482)
IFFR is actually the plate umpires PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY

I hate to pick nits, but can we change this to:

IFF is primarily the PU's responsibility.

I think that says what you meant, and doesn't imply that calling IFF is the first and most important thing a PU does.

Dakota Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 792496)
I hate to pick nits, but can we change this to:

IFF is primarily the PU's responsibility.

I think that says what you meant, and doesn't imply that calling IFF is the first and most important thing a PU does.

That would depend on how badly you need to call an out, any out! (See 10U fall ball thread.) :D

NCASAUmp Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 792519)
That would depend on how badly you need to call an out, any out! (See 10U fall ball thread.) :D

And see my post about which rules are not in effect for our 10U games. :eek:

CecilOne Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 792496)
I hate to pick nits, but can we change this to:

IFF is primarily the PU's responsibility.

I think that says what you meant, and doesn't imply that calling IFF is the first and most important thing a PU does.

Yes, I realized that as soon as I posted, laziness factor. ;)


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