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Rachel Mon Aug 15, 2011 08:27am

Making a wrong a right
 
1 out - R1 on 3rd, R2 on 1st.

Fly ball blooper between SS and LF caught by the SS. R1 tags up from 3rd and is safe at home but R2 fails to tag up and is called out at 1st for the 3rd out.

The umpires have a brain cramp and do not count the run. The call is accepted by both teams.

Two innings later they realize their mistake and count the run. Can this be done? Correctable error?

RKBUmp Mon Aug 15, 2011 09:38am

I dont see why not, is basically just a score keeping correction.

BretMan Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:01am

Sure, fix it. If they can fix this same thing in Major League Baseball, why not in softball? :rolleyes:

(From 2007) "Time Plays" can cause confusion among players, managers and occasionally umpires | Baseball Digest

okla21fan Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:02am

You would 'correct' this after a subsequent pitch (legal or illegal) has been thrown? (let alone two innings later)

what would you do if one of the teams wanted to 'replay' those two innings because their stratagy would have been different had the score been different. ;)

tcannizzo Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:56am

Hate to use MLB examples in FB, but, quite often the Official Scorekeeper will change what was originally recorded in the game and fix it.

A recent example was in the 11th game of Dan Uggla's 34-game hitting streak, where a play was recorded as an error. 24 hours later, they changed it to a hit.

bainsey Mon Aug 15, 2011 01:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by okla21fan (Post 780944)
You would 'correct' this after a subsequent pitch (legal or illegal) has been thrown? (let alone two innings later)

Whereas this could be a protestable error (incorrect application of a rule), why wouldn't it be wise to simply fix it upon discovery?

youngump Mon Aug 15, 2011 02:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 780993)
Whereas this could be a protestable error (incorrect application of a rule), why wouldn't it be wise to simply fix it upon discovery?

The argument against changing it is that in general you can't go back and fix anything. If for example, the umpire judged that the appeal occurred before the runner got home, the run certainly wouldn't count and no one would say that the umpire can go back and change his mind.
The argument in favor is that no ruling is actually made here and it's simply a scorekeeping error.
I don't know that the book says anything about this, but I'm not sure how you can take the latter position without saying that it can be fixed the next day, or the next year, or forever.

AtlUmpSteve Mon Aug 15, 2011 06:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 780993)
Whereas this could be a protestable error (incorrect application of a rule), why wouldn't it be wise to simply fix it upon discovery?

The rule application isn't protestable after a next pitch, so that isn't a factor. The issue is if this is a scorekeeping error or a ruling that can't be changed. Okay, they asked the umpire, but the official scorekeeper could STILL have a different score in the book and on the board, because it really isn't the umpire's call, unless the umpire states the out was made before the run scored.

I am aware of game scores that HAVE been changed after the fact, when it was determined a scorekeeping error was the sole factor.

MD Longhorn Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:34pm

Whether or not the runner crossed the plate before the 3rd out is the umpires call - and is final and unprotestable.

However, what the score is, is not the umpire's decision. The score is what the score is. The runner scored regardless of how many innings went by before it was put on the scoreboard or in the scorebook correctly.


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