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Old Mon Aug 08, 2011, 09:06pm
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14U USA/ASA @ Midland. Late Saturday afternoon elimination game(winner goes to Sunday ball) between two teams from a 'warm weather/sea side state' that the two teams knew each other very well as they played about 25 miles apart.

1-0 ball game in the bottom of the 4th with home team behind and runners on first and third with one out. R2 on first had been 'on the envelope' when not stealing, but is at least a step and a half off the bag on a steal attempt and I bang her for leaving early. (3 man system)

Here is the fallout:

'you don't make that call in a game like this, cause that is a game changing call
'let the girls play'
'we teach our girls to rock on the motion'
'you called dead ball even before she left the bag'
'thats rec league'
'she has never been called for that all year long'

Then to make matters worse, on our field the first base foul lines were not chalked all the way down through the grass, so my plate umpire decided that he would call all balls on the line for fair/foul as we on the lines might not have a good frame of reference. So on a line drive on the foul line where this was not even close to being a catch/no catch situation , I button hook into a 'modified A' position to give my plate a clear view of the status. Then I hear for a few more batters:

'this guy doesn't even know what he is doing, he didn't even go out on the foul ball.'

The worst thing about all of this was that they were on the 1st base dugout, and for 2 plus innings I could not get water from my jug.

The best thing is that my plate ump came to me after the game and said that he thought the girl was off the bag as well and that it was a great call. But he did add.... 'better you than me'...lol
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Old Mon Aug 08, 2011, 09:42pm
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'you don't make that call in a game like this, cause that is a game changing call
It only changes the game because your runner left early.

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'let the girls play'
I am, both teams on a level playing field

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'we teach our girls to rock on the motion'
Congratulations, maybe you should work on their timing, also

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'you called dead ball even before she left the bag'
Really?

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'thats rec league'
Then maybe you should bring your tournament team the next time

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'she has never been called for that all year long'
Then she probably didn't leave early all year long. This time she did. Now we are back to the timing issue.

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Then I hear for a few more batters:

'this guy doesn't even know what he is doing, he didn't even go out on the foul ball.'
And what umpire school did he attend?

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The worst thing about all of this was that they were on the 1st base dugout, and for 2 plus innings I could not get water from my jug.
Why not? That the best time to get water.
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Old Tue Aug 09, 2011, 05:28am
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14U USA/ASA @ Midland. Late Saturday afternoon elimination game(winner goes to Sunday ball) between two teams from a 'warm weather/sea side state' that the two teams knew each other very well as they played about 25 miles apart.

1-0 ball game in the bottom of the 4th with home team behind and runners on first and third with one out. R2 on first had been 'on the envelope' when not stealing, but is at least a step and a half off the bag on a steal attempt and I bang her for leaving early. (3 man system)

Here is the fallout:

'you don't make that call in a game like this, cause that is a game changing call
'let the girls play'
'we teach our girls to rock on the motion'
'you called dead ball even before she left the bag'
'thats rec league'
'she has never been called for that all year long'

Then to make matters worse, on our field the first base foul lines were not chalked all the way down through the grass, so my plate umpire decided that he would call all balls on the line for fair/foul as we on the lines might not have a good frame of reference. So on a line drive on the foul line where this was not even close to being a catch/no catch situation , I button hook into a 'modified A' position to give my plate a clear view of the status. Then I hear for a few more batters:

'this guy doesn't even know what he is doing, he didn't even go out on the foul ball.'

The worst thing about all of this was that they were on the 1st base dugout, and for 2 plus innings I could not get water from my jug.

The best thing is that my plate ump came to me after the game and said that he thought the girl was off the bag as well and that it was a great call. But he did add.... 'better you than me'...lol
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Old Tue Aug 09, 2011, 07:49am
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There was a 16&U coach who would not accept an IP being a ball because the pitcher did not release the ball.
Kept it up until deciding to protest and the UIC had to settle it.
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Old Tue Aug 09, 2011, 09:14am
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Mike, you pretty much responded verbatim to what was going through my head at the time, but I simply 'took it' as I was confident in the call (or I would not have made it in the first place)
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Old Tue Aug 09, 2011, 09:54am
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Mike, you pretty much responded verbatim to what was going through my head at the time, but I simply 'took it' as I was confident in the call (or I would not have made it in the first place)
Yeah....an ASA National might not be the best place to use some of those responses....


I called a runner out for leaving early at the 18Gold and her coach thanked me! He said that she is already fast and doesn't need to get that extra jump, but she still does it and usually doesn't get called.

Sounds like she is ready for college ball to me!
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Old Tue Aug 09, 2011, 06:11pm
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Yeah....an ASA National might not be the best place to use some of those responses....
I agree, but that doesn't mean I cannot think it.
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Old Tue Aug 09, 2011, 07:14pm
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I agree, but that doesn't mean I cannot think it.
Heck, if I said everything I thought, I might get in trouble someday on a field.
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