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Originally Posted by BretMan (Post 760751)

I had the game recorded, so had a chance to go back and run through this play several times.

- Batter comes forward in typical fashion for a slap hit.

- It looks like her left/rear foot is pretty darn close to the plate when it plants. But you can't really see the lines of the box to know for sure where the foot is planted. The video gave me no clear view of whether she really was in or out of the box.

- Bat contacts ball, ball goes straight down and on the upward bounce appears to graze the batter's left ankle.

- The batter's left foot was planted on the ground when she hit the ball and was still planted in the same spot when the ball hit her ankle.

So, if she really was out of the box, she was out at the moment of bat/ball contact. In other words, she didn't hit the ball, then step out, then get hit.

- Plate umpire came right out with: A strong dead-ball signal; He pointed at the ground near batter's box and said, "She's out of the box"; Then followed with an out signal.

- Batter's reaction was sort of telling. She didn't pause, look around or otherwise react other than just going straight to the dugout. She seemed to know she was out.

And, of course, the talking heads seemed oblivious to all that with their following comments.

That's pretty much how I remember it but I hadn't noticed or even considered this part.

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It looks like her left/rear foot is pretty darn close to the plate when it plants.

Which could very well account for what the umpire was pointing at.

The Heads were talking about the catcher tagging the batter, which may be why that was what was recorded in the box score... but if that were the case, why would it be a dead ball.

I'm satisfied.....

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 760318)

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asa 8.2.b say's nothing about a tie...?????

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Originally Posted by IN ASA BLUE (Post 760953)

asa 8.2.b say's nothing about a tie...?????

Oh boy.

The rule states that the BR must be put out PRIOR to reaching the base which means that if the ball and BR reach there destination at the same time (a tie), the BR is safe, by rule.

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 760954)

Oh boy.

The rule states that the BR must be put out PRIOR to reaching the base which means that if the ball and BR reach there destination at the same time (a tie), the BR is safe, by rule.

:rolleyes:
The rule never address' a TIE...by rule.

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 760954)

Oh boy.

The rule states that the BR must be put out PRIOR to reaching the base which means that if the ball and BR reach there destination at the same time (a tie), the BR is safe, by rule.

I admit, I have given coaches 2 answers on this play
"Coach, the runner did not beat the ball to the bag."
"Coach, the ball did not beat the runner to the bag."
I'm going with my first reaction on this kind of play.:D

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Originally Posted by Steve M (Post 760964)

So you choose the incorrect one? Remind me to stay away from your fields when you come down this year. ;) We'll have a beer or five away from the fields:D

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Originally Posted by IN ASA BLUE (Post 760962)

:rolleyes:
The rule never address' a TIE...by rule.

Okay, if you say so

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Originally Posted by IN ASA BLUE (Post 760962)

:rolleyes:
The rule never address' a TIE...by rule.

Ummmm...... re-read.... just because the word "tie" isnt used... doesnt mean it doesnt apply...

If the ball doesnt BEAT the runner... the runner is safe.. It really IS that simple....

Tie is implied in the rules

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Originally Posted by azbigdawg (Post 761029)

Ummmm...... re-read.... just because the word "tie" isnt used... doesnt mean it doesnt apply...

If the ball doesnt BEAT the runner... the runner is safe.. It really IS that simple....

If the ball beats the BR to the base the BR is out (assuming a clean catch and the foot on the bag, etc.).

Now if the BR beats the ball or they arrive simultaneously, then the ball didn't beat the BR and the BR is safe. So ties do go to the runner because the ball didn't arrive first.

This is what Mike is saying.

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Originally Posted by rwest (Post 761093)

Yeah, but what fans mean by "tie goes to the runner" is "close plays go to the runner"! ;)

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Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 761131)

Yeah, but what fans mean by "tie goes to the runner" is "close plays go to the runner"! ;)

Well, if they are ruled out, I guess it wasn't a tie, was it? ;)

Another way of saying it is....

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 761268)

Well, if they are ruled out, I guess it wasn't a tie, was it? ;)

If they were ruled out it wasn't a tie because it wasn't close!

Fla-Ore game today. Demonstration by JMendo was supposed to be the "drag bunt".

Apparently, no one in softball knows that on a drag bunt, the idea is to "drag" the ball, not drop it dead in front of the plate. Then, of course, the THs had to note what a great "drag" bunt a UF player laid down about 2' in front of the plate.

I almost forgot, when you drag bunt, you stay square to the plate, never open up toward 1B.

I'm absolute stunned that I missed the complete rewriting of the Official Dictionary and Encyclopedia of Sports Terms.

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 761987)

I'm absolute stunned that I missed the complete rewriting of the Official Dictionary and Encyclopedia of Sports Terms.

Especially since you wrote it. :p :) :)

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 761987)

Demonstration by JMendo was supposed to be the "drag bunt".

Perhaps it was to be hitting techniques by a Cher impersonating transvestite.