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IRISHMAFIA Tue May 10, 2011 07:13pm

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Originally Posted by Dutch Alex (Post 757685)
Well I guess you guys can always say that it might be too dangerous for a coach with crutches on the field: he can't properly move away for a batted ball. Since we, ump's, are responsible for the safety of all on our field (in the US more than over here) that will hold out in court...

In the US, any baby who doesn't get his/her way, they sue whomever is in their way.

In the US, when someone gets hurt, they call an ambulance.....right after they call a lawyer.

In the US, there are even TV commercials where lawyers advertise to get you every penny then can if you think you have been wronged.

In the US, there is no such thing as an accident. Someone is always to blame whether they were responsible for someone's stupidity or not.

In the US, a thief can break into your house, trip over a loose board, fall down the stairs and not only sue the homeowner, but actually win!

And to show you how the public thinks, there is a football season ticket holder at the University of Kentucky who has hearing problems and he is suing the university to put closed captioning of all announcements on the scoreboards and all monitors in the stadium.

Great country America! Live the dream, trip on a sidewalk and sue somebody!

Little Jimmy Tue May 10, 2011 09:40pm

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There is no clear rule saying the coach cannot. I won't hang on that being unapproved equipment; that isn't remotely the intent of that rule. Using that, you would refuse a coach wearing an insulin pump on the belt? A soft boot? Then, instead, you would put that person in greater danger of further injury by mandating the (apparently medically needed) crutch be left behind? You can couch it as I gave the coach the choice to NOT be there, but you won't win that one. And, absent a clear rule, I feel I assumed zero added liability when the school had designated that person as their coach.
Fed 3-6-10 is clear, at least at saying that other than scoekeeping materials, no objects are allowed in the coaching box. An insulin pump and soft boot goes with the coach when he starts getting out of the way. An old coach is slow but moving. A wheelchair probably isn't getting out of the way, but at least it's relatively stationary allowing a player to somewhat judge how to avoid it. A hopping coach carrying/dragging/dropping a crutch seems different. The dropped/dragged crutch is a hazzard for a player trying to make a play. I would think the safety of the player would take precedence at some point, especially if the crutch is being used by someone who twisted an ankle and doesn't have a perminent disability.

LIUmp Tue May 10, 2011 10:10pm

In NY, we rule under state organization rules, which are ASA rules, with certain modifications (like unreported substitutes are no penalty). I have received a rule book each year through my affiliation with ASA and PONY, but I have never recieved a case book, and I've been doing this since 2003. Who am I to ask? My ASA assignor? High school ball doesn't use NFHS rules in NY, so it's senseless for me to get NFHS materials.

SRW Wed May 11, 2011 08:34am

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Originally Posted by Little Jimmy (Post 757744)
Fed 3-6-10 is clear, at least at saying that other than scoekeeping materials, no objects are allowed in the coaching box. An insulin pump and soft boot goes with the coach when he starts getting out of the way. An old coach is slow but moving. A wheelchair probably isn't getting out of the way, but at least it's relatively stationary allowing a player to somewhat judge how to avoid it. A hopping coach carrying/dragging/dropping a crutch seems different. The dropped/dragged crutch is a hazzard for a player trying to make a play. I would think the safety of the player would take precedence at some point, especially if the crutch is being used by someone who twisted an ankle and doesn't have a perminent disability.

It doesn't say that they are allowed to wear clothes in the coach's box... yet we let them...

Skahtboi Wed May 11, 2011 09:21am

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Originally Posted by SRW (Post 757847)
It doesn't say that they are allowed to wear clothes in the coach's box... yet we let them...


Actually, most rule codes do describe what the coaches are allowed and not allowed to wear. :cool:

JEL Wed May 11, 2011 11:46am

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Originally Posted by SRW (Post 757847)
It doesn't say that they are allowed to wear clothes in the coach's box... yet we let them...

3-5-3

No "nekked" coaches allowed!


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