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kleeds Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:32am

NFHS Pay
 
I am just curious what other states pay for High School Fastpitch Softball for girls?

We are really fortunate in Montana that our Montana Officials Association equalized play for all sports a few years ago.

Right now we make $60 for a varsity game and I beleive $37.50 for a JV game and this is if we do two or three man ball.

Just curious what other states make.

RadioBlue Tue Apr 05, 2011 07:47am

Here in Illinois, the schools set the pay (oftentimes with input from local associations). For a single varsity game, I get anywhere between $50 and $65 and for a double-header, I make anywhere between $80 and $110.

JEL Tue Apr 05, 2011 08:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by kleeds (Post 746962)
I am just curious what other states pay for High School Fastpitch Softball for girls?

We are really fortunate in Montana that our Montana Officials Association equalized play for all sports a few years ago.

Right now we make $60 for a varsity game and I beleive $37.50 for a JV game and this is if we do two or three man ball.

Just curious what other states make.

I believe ALL other states pay for softball! :D

Below is a link to all Georgia game fees. Note regular season softball is comprarable to the little ball, but JV and state playoffs are out of whack a bit. We also receive a "travel allowance" of $25.00 (per crew) per game that is given to the association to disburse as seen fit.

http://www.ghsa.net/files/documents/...-2010-2011.pdf

argodad Tue Apr 05, 2011 09:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by kleeds (Post 746962)
I am just curious what other states pay for High School Fastpitch Softball for girls?

We are really fortunate in Montana that our Montana Officials Association equalized play for all sports a few years ago.

Right now we make $60 for a varsity game and I beleive $37.50 for a JV game and this is if we do two or three man ball.

Just curious what other states make.

Florida HSAA lists regular season fees at $45 for varsity (2 ump), $40 (3-ump), $35 for JV/freshman. Travel is negotiated between associations and schools with a max of $.60/mile one way.

HugoTafurst Tue Apr 05, 2011 09:32am

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Originally Posted by argodad (Post 747062)
Florida HSAA lists regular season fees at $45 for varsity (2 ump), $40 (3-ump), $35 for JV/freshman. Travel is negotiated between associations and schools with a max of $.60/mile one way.

Hear in East Central FL, we get the above rate plus $10.00 Flat rate.
We cover an area that is about 80 miles from north to south...

You get one fee (each) per umpire per location.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

ASA/NYSSOBLUE Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:00am

Here in NY (non-NFHS...so far), the pay is negotiated with the various sections. This is what we currently get in our section, which is in the extreme northern suburbs of NYC (and hold onto your hat):

Modified (Middle School): $62

JV: $71

Varisty: $95

We get assigned by a Section wide education cooperative agency that does all the scheduling (for both schools and officials), assigning AND payments - all withOUT assigning fees.

And they get more down in NYC and on Long Island :eek:

Andy Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:00am

Arizona:

Varsity - $40.00/game, 2 umpire, some 3 umpire in invitational tournament finals and state tournament from the quarterfinals on.

FR/JV - $35.00/game, 2 umpire, $52.50/game, 1 umpire

In the Metro Phoenix or Tucson area, flat fee of $7.00 for travel.
Outside of the Metro areas, I believe (not sure) $.44/mile with defined mileage between towns. For FR or JV, mileage is paid with the game fee.
For Varsity, mileage is calculated and paid in a check at the end of the season.

Almost all of the High Schools in the state pay officials via Ref Pay.

Skahtboi Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:27am

Texas: $40.00 across the board for HS.

DaveASA/FED Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:29am

In my area of Indiana we get between $55-65 a game and we try to push the schools to pay the same for every level (Freshman, JV and Varsity) most have agreed to do so. Double headers bring anywhere from $95-120. Some will lower the check saying we didn't have to travel twice to umpire the 2nd game, but there is no set travel fee.

jchamp Tue Apr 05, 2011 01:33pm

Nevada
 
Las Vegas area officials' compensation is posted on the website:
SNOA Compensation

$38.75 JV
$50.75 Var
Rate * 1.5 for solo JV game.

Everything I've seen is pretty similar to the other states I've been in, (Ohio & Central New York). The modest differences can be explained by the expense and the economic health of the area.

PtotheB Tue Apr 05, 2011 02:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 747101)
Texas: $40.00 across the board for HS.

Out here in VWT (Very West Texas) we get $40 for varsity and $35 for JV and below. Travel money depends on school location in relation to an agreed upon "bullseye" that is negotiated between our board and the individual school districts. If I am traveling from my west side home to a west side school I can make $16 for driving 2 miles. On the other hand it can be $10 for driving 35 miles.

kleeds Tue Apr 05, 2011 02:39pm

I should add that in Montana we get $.58/mile if we drive and $.08/mile if we ride in addition to game pay for all out of town games.

In town we recieve no mileage.

kleeds Tue Apr 05, 2011 02:41pm

ASA/NYSSO Blue:

Are the negotiated rates so high because you have trouble recruiting officials or because of great negotiators.

I tip my hat to the negotiators. I do not umpire for the money but almost $190 for a varsity doubleheader is nothing to sneeze at if you can find it.

kleeds Tue Apr 05, 2011 02:43pm

One thing that I do truly appreciate about the Montana Pay Scale is that I do not mind investing in new apparel and equipment for High School ball because of the pay.

I do not mind buying new stuff in ASA ball either, but here in my local association we make $20 a game fast or slow so it takes a tad longer to pay off those orders.

However I only have myself to blame for this one since I am the district ASA UIC for my district here in Montana.

ASA/NYSSOBLUE Tue Apr 05, 2011 04:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kleeds (Post 747184)
ASA/NYSSO Blue:

Are the negotiated rates so high because you have trouble recruiting officials or because of great negotiators.

I tip my hat to the negotiators. I do not umpire for the money but almost $190 for a varsity doubleheader is nothing to sneeze at if you can find it.

As was stated elsewhere, it is mostly a cost of living thing. Also - we VERY rarely do DHs of any sort in school ball here.

One thing that is kind of weird is that if you are a varsity official, you might get 12-15 games a year - but if you do JV and modified, and are available, you can do a lot more - this year, which is a pretty typical schedule for me, I have scheduled 30 games - of which 25 will be JV, and 5 or so will be modified! This of course will be whittled down by cancellations for rain, dances, whatever. But I sometimes will get taken off a modified and get reassigned to a JV when an official calls in, or there's a reschedule.

We also get if we show up, and the game never starts because of weather or something will get an 'appearance fee' -which is like 25% of our game fee - gas money in other words. Also we have what is called the 'one pitch rule' - meaning if we get the first pitch in, we get the full game fee.

As far as ASA is concerned, we get a straight $39 across the board. Our assignor is very tough with the leagues, as he insists on two umpires for ALL games, plus prepayment before he will schedule anything! We also basically get an additional dollar each succeeding season. Our assignor WILL give a break to some tournaments - especially if it is for a good cause ---especially for parents groups trying to raise money for school sports.

SethPDX Tue Apr 05, 2011 08:12pm

Oregon:

Varsity (two umpires): $50.50 for the three largest classifications (6A, 5A, 4A), $45.50 for the smallest (3A/2A). In my area the vast majority of schools are 6A/5A/4A.

JV: Same as above for a single umpire (most JV games are solo), or $38.50/$34.25 if it's a crew of two.

If there's a rainout the above fees are prorated up through 4 complete innings. You get the full fee if five or more innings are completed.

There is also travel pay, calculated from a central point in the city to the site of the game. The minimum travel pay is $5.00.

shipwreck Tue Apr 05, 2011 08:30pm

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Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 747101)
Texas: $40.00 across the board for HS.

I thought EVERYTHING in Texas was bigger. Apparently I was wrong.;) Dave

kleeds Wed Apr 06, 2011 01:05am

Seth,

How tough is it doing a JV game alone? I have struggled doing U-10 games solo. I can not even imagine doing a JV or Varsity High School contest solo.

Way to much to watch for and the games are way too important.

clev1967 Wed Apr 06, 2011 08:03am

In Texas you also receive .50 per mile per vehicle.

High School games are more cost efficient here than many of the college games. Typical JUCO or DIII is about a 150-200 mile round trip- no mileage, 150.. for a DH.

Typical HS game- 30-90 miles- V/JV- time limit on the JV, 80.00 plus .50 per mile.

umpirebob71 Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:57pm

In this part of NE Ohio, we get $43.00 for a varsity game (Two man) with no travel money. $38.00 for a JV game, generally two man.

Skahtboi Wed Apr 06, 2011 01:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by shipwreck (Post 747282)
I thought EVERYTHING in Texas was bigger. Apparently I was wrong.;) Dave


Oh yeah....and it is only going to get worse now that we have lost our independent officials organization and are in the hands of the state's ADs.

shipwreck Wed Apr 06, 2011 02:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 747471)
Oh yeah....and it is only going to get worse now that we have lost our independent officials organization and are in the hands of the state's ADs.

bummer!!!

okla21fan Wed Apr 06, 2011 02:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 747471)
Oh yeah....and it is only going to get worse now that we have lost our independent officials organization and are in the hands of the state's ADs.

UIL 'pay' per game was going to be at a minimum $10 per game higher this season (however the 'suit' stopped all that and pay was reverted back to 2010 pay)

So I am not sure that this whole mess is going to be a total bust as some think. ;)

PtotheB Wed Apr 06, 2011 04:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 747471)
Oh yeah....and it is only going to get worse now that we have lost our independent officials organization and are in the hands of the state's ADs.

We're still TASO strong out here. I think we had two or three officials register for softball with UIL. I still think that going UIL is dancing with the devil.

SethPDX Wed Apr 06, 2011 09:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kleeds (Post 747342)
Seth,

How tough is it doing a JV game alone? I have struggled doing U-10 games solo. I can not even imagine doing a JV or Varsity High School contest solo.

Way to much to watch for and the games are way too important.

It can be real tough if you have the more skilled JV teams. Worse, this is where the new umpires start.

Most ASA around here is worked alone too.

NEohioref Wed Apr 06, 2011 09:50pm

Here in N.E Ohio our baseball/softball association gets paid $55.00 per game no mileage regardless of what level frosh/jv/varsity. We have contracts with 13 schools and the furthest drive would be 40 mins or so. Most of us live West of Cleveland so its really not that bad. NSA pays us $30 per game(different assignor) ASA is 27.50(different assignor)

NEohioref Wed Apr 06, 2011 09:53pm

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Originally Posted by umpirebob71 (Post 747470)
In this part of NE Ohio, we get $43.00 for a varsity game (Two man) with no travel money. $38.00 for a JV game, generally two man.

Im in Elyria (Elyria Area Umpires Association) just west of cleveland ..so we do lakewood,avon,elyria,elyria catholic,black river,ect...

kleeds Thu Apr 07, 2011 09:14am

Seth,

I feel real lucky in Montana as most of the invitational tournaments here allow the UIC's for ASA to bring in as many umpires as they need so we always have two umpires on the field. Even for U-10 now we almost always have two umpires working.

Even better is a few of the invites in the state provide us with the opportunity to work 3-man in championship games and that is always an outstanding learning opportunity when we have the chance to be selected for those games.

umpirebob71 Thu Apr 07, 2011 02:19pm

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Originally Posted by NEohioref (Post 747610)
Im in Elyria (Elyria Area Umpires Association) just west of cleveland ..so we do lakewood,avon,elyria,elyria catholic,black river,ect...

I'm in Trumbull County. We get into Geauga County a little, but that's about as far as we go for high school.

NEohioref Fri Apr 08, 2011 05:15am

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Originally Posted by umpirebob71 (Post 747792)
I'm in Trumbull County. We get into Geauga County a little, but that's about as far as we go for high school.

I know exactly where your at ..Lorain county here

SethPDX Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by kleeds (Post 747723)
Even better is a few of the invites in the state provide us with the opportunity to work 3-man in championship games and that is always an outstanding learning opportunity when we have the chance to be selected for those games.

State tournament games use crews of three. Some of us have more experience with it than others because of ASA and other leagues. We all have to use the last couple weeks of the regular season to get on the same page after not working it all year. Some schools let us add a third umpire for their games and we have a clinic to go over it. Fortunately we have lots of members who are good instructors.

bbsbvb83 Sat Apr 09, 2011 07:55pm

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Originally Posted by RadioBlue (Post 747037)
Here in Illinois, the schools set the pay (oftentimes with input from local associations). For a single varsity game, I get anywhere between $50 and $65 and for a double-header, I make anywhere between $80 and $110.

I just worked an IHSA varsity game for $40.00. I won't be returning to that school any time soon.

agr8zebra Mon Apr 11, 2011 08:39pm

If were in Montana instead of Utah my check tomorrow would be $242.50 for my V/JV double header, but it will be only $151.38...

varefump Thu Apr 14, 2011 08:20am

Central Virginia Softball Fees
 
In Virginia, each local association negotiates with the various districts for one, two, or three-year 'contracts'. For state playoffs, the VHSL pays $75 for each umpire in the 3-person crew plus $.50/mile for the driver.

For regular seaon in Central Virginia, we get $70/ump for varsity, $60 for JV, and $65 for middle school (all 2-person crews). No travel fee is paid for 'local' schools, but we get $30 or $40 per game travel for schools 30-75 miles away. We offer a 3-person crew to schools for their marquee games for $150, which gives our guys some practice working 3-person before the start of playoffs while keeping the cost to the schools reasonable.

FYI, Central Virginia fees will increase by $5/umpire in 2013 across the board.

UpState Sat Apr 16, 2011 08:37am

South Carolina is on the low end... a recent NFHS tournament paid < $40 per game with no travel.

At non-tournament games we usually have to fill out our paperwork at with the person selling tickets. I had a upstate pay off game about 5 years ago where the paperwork included a listing of what everyone was being paid. The person selling tickets was making more than the umpires.

Dakota Sat Apr 16, 2011 09:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by UpState (Post 750862)
...The person selling tickets was making more than the umpires.

That makes sense... he was a profit center! ;)

LIUmp Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:13pm

On Long Island, as stated earlier, it is negotiated by the county organizations and the schools.

We get: $115 varsity, $96 JV, 78.50 JH (modified). These are for two man games, as most games are two man. If you do a game alone, you get a fee and a half, i.e. $96 + $43 = $139 JV alone. (very rare to do a varsity game alone, but common to do a JV or JH game solo.)


Plus, if a game is cancelled within 2 hours of game time and you are not notified, you get full fee.

umpirebob71 Sun Apr 17, 2011 01:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by LIBlueASA (Post 751059)
On Long Island, as stated earlier, it is negotiated by the county organizations and the schools.

We get: $115 varsity, $96 JV, 78.50 JH (modified). These are for two man games, as most games are two man. If you do a game alone, you get a fee and a half, i.e. $96 + $43 = $139 JV alone. (very rare to do a varsity game alone, but common to do a JV or JH game solo.)


Plus, if a game is cancelled within 2 hours of game time and you are not notified, you get full fee.

You guys get more to do a single, two man JV game than I get to do a varsity double header.

ASA/NYSSOBLUE Sun Apr 17, 2011 03:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by LIBlueASA (Post 751059)
On Long Island, as stated earlier, it is negotiated by the county organizations and the schools.

We get: $115 varsity, $96 JV, 78.50 JH (modified). These are for two man games, as most games are two man. If you do a game alone, you get a fee and a half, i.e. $96 + $43 = $139 JV alone. (very rare to do a varsity game alone, but common to do a JV or JH game solo.)


Plus, if a game is cancelled within 2 hours of game time and you are not notified, you get full fee.

Wow - you guys need help down there??

derwil Sun Apr 17, 2011 08:46pm

Alabama
 
We get $30 for Middle School, $32 for JV and $37 for Varsity.

We also get travel for both umpires - anywhere from $5 to $20 per game (only one charge for DH).

JefferMC Mon Apr 18, 2011 09:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by UpState (Post 750862)
South Carolina is on the low end... a recent NFHS tournament paid < $40 per game with no travel.

At non-tournament games we usually have to fill out our paperwork at with the person selling tickets. I had a upstate pay off game about 5 years ago where the paperwork included a listing of what everyone was being paid. The person selling tickets was making more than the umpires.

These are the SCHSL mandated fees

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCHSL 2010-11 Rules
SOFTBALL OFFICIALS' FEES
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Plate Umpire . . . . . . . Base Umpire
Regular Season............................................ ....................$38.00 .........................$32.00
State Play-Off Games .................................................. .....$43.00 .........................$37.00
State Finals .................................................. ..................$47.00 .........................$42.00
Travel Allowance shall be 45 cents per mile to each official with a minimum of $9.00.


UpState Mon Apr 18, 2011 03:58pm

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Originally Posted by JefferMC (Post 751402)
These are the SCHSL mandated fees

That's what we normally get. For this one I got 100 for a plate and 2 bases, I guess I got ripped. I since learned that the NFHS tournament put on by one of the local high schools paid $30 per game (plate or bases) with $10 travel, no matter where you came from.

ASA/NYSSOBLUE Mon Apr 18, 2011 04:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JefferMC (Post 751402)
These are the SCHSL mandated fees


Id REALLY would like to hear the reason for not only ridiculously low fees, but the plate/base differential. That plate/differential has always baffled me, do they EXPECT the base ump to work less? Or is it they ASSUME the base umpire has less to do - ESPECIALLY in softball.

JefferMC Thu Apr 21, 2011 08:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by UpState (Post 751539)
That's what we normally get. For this one I got 100 for a plate and 2 bases, I guess I got ripped. I since learned that the NFHS tournament put on by one of the local high schools paid $30 per game (plate or bases) with $10 travel, no matter where you came from.

I might would query the SCHSL if that was a sanctioned event and if so, why were not the mandated fees paid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASA/NYSSOBLUE
That plate/differential has always baffled me, do they EXPECT the base ump to work less? Or is it they ASSUME the base umpire has less to do - ESPECIALLY in softball.

I guess because the base umpires equipment is cheaper?

CecilOne Thu Apr 21, 2011 09:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASA/NYSSOBLUE (Post 751544)
Id REALLY would like to hear the reason for not only ridiculously low fees, but the plate/base differential. That plate/differential has always baffled me, do they EXPECT the base ump to work less? Or is it they ASSUME the base umpire has less to do - ESPECIALLY in softball.

A frequently ignored fact about sports officiating is that what the official does during a game is only part of the responsibility and effort. Even though it is the most visible part, it is far from being all that is needed. The time commitment, training, meetings, clinics, uniforms, equipment, study, tests, planning, communication, and travel are substantial in themselves and are essential to good officiating.

Skahtboi Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by PtotheB (Post 747176)
Out here in VWT (Very West Texas) we get $40 for varsity and $35 for JV and below. Travel money depends on school location in relation to an agreed upon "bullseye" that is negotiated between our board and the individual school districts. If I am traveling from my west side home to a west side school I can make $16 for driving 2 miles. On the other hand it can be $10 for driving 35 miles.

Well, you know, that is not in keeping with the infamous holy grail of payment, the UIL's Section 1204. The pay rate for two games is $40.00 per game, unless it is a double header (the exact same two teams, not JV and V for both schools).

The only travel guarantee in 1204 is one car round trip mileage at the state comptroller's rater, and the other car a $10.00 rider fee, though they do allow for officials to negotiate two separate cars getting round trip mileage.

Of course, next year, this is all going to change. The UIL is going to make officials think they are getting a raise by raising game fees while drastically cutting mileage fees. I have already looked at their proposed adjustment to 1204, and for the majority of schools that I drive to, I will be making about 20% less per game, even with the so-called "raise."

Actually, it sounds like you might be using a variant of the upcoming change with your "bullseye" mileage method.

Multiple Sports Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:14pm

Maryland checking in...........
 
Average is $65 - $70 for a V game and $55 - $60 for a jv.

My association is 1 1/2 fee for a 1 man game about 50% of jv and a few varsity games.

If we show and the clouds open up we get a full fee, whether a pitch is thrown or not.......

mnref Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:42pm

MN-Twin Cities (Mpls/St Paul) Metro Area:

Varsity (2 ump) - $64
JV/Sub var (1 ump) - $64

Dbl headers for both - $128
Dbl header (two 5 inning games) - $91

IRISHMAFIA Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 753843)
Average is $65 - $70 for a V game and $55 - $60 for a jv.

My association is 1 1/2 fee for a 1 man game about 50% of jv and a few varsity games.

If we show and the clouds open up we get a full fee, whether a pitch is thrown or not.......

In our part of MD, one-umpire games are not permitted for varsity. We've had umpires work them, but apparently they did not count and had to be replayed.


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