illegal pitches in college
 

Thought they were cracking down on illegal pitchers in college? Sitting here watching a d1 game and pitcher is leaping and replanting and has not been called once.

What schools were playing?

Sam Houston and central Arkansas. What's really strange is on Friday I think they called a combined 9 illegal pitches on the 2 teams and then sat and Sun nothing.

Maybe their arms got tired?

Was the same crew umpiring Sat. & Sun?

Yes it was the same crew at all the games I was watching. Have a couple of photos from saturday I took, will have to figure out how to post them. Had camera already packed away for flight on sunday so no pics from that game.

Same pitchers?
Sounds like a conscious decision to not make the call.

Sometimes things don't always happen as planned.

Not saying it's right or wrong.... just saying.

Many of us have been on the receiving end of that conversation.

Sam Houston Pitcher
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UCA pitcher
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Sunday pitcher for UCA was completely legal. Sam Houston pitcher was leaping out about a foot in front of plate, replanting on the left hand lane line and then stepping in and throwing. Wish I had pictures of her.

Not entirely the same crew, only Bains and Kearney worked both games.
Sat.2/26 Central AK U v. Sam Houston: Crew- HP Kearney 1B Bains 3B Mann
Sun.2/27 Central AK U v. Sam Houston: Crew- HP Douglas 1B Kearney 3B Bains

Am I the only one who thinks it's poor form to post the names of umpires whose judgement has been criticized by a spectator and whose integrity has been called into question by a poster without a clue?

NO, not just you.

Seeing the names took me aback also.
You (and Cecil) are not the only ones.

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:mad:Very unprofessional to post any names on any website. We are a furtinity and should act and post accordingly.
NO NAMES in the future!:eek:

Anyone here ever work games that were just outright problematic for all parties involved?

Anyone ever have a UIC tell them to ignore or ease up on some issues for the purpose of getting through a game?

I would not expect this at the college level, but unless you were there and included in the event, you don't know what happened.

Mentioning the crews may not be good form, but I'm not overly worried about it as we just don't know what may have transpired. I doubt quite seriously that the crew did not discuss their games, what was being seen and what was called.

Not to mention the pictures are inconclusive at best. If you are going to play "gotcha" at least take the pictures from a side angle.

Please edit out the names. :(

Topper - RKBUMP is not a "spectator" or a "poster without a clue" as you stated. He is a respected umpire that posts on this board from time to time, which you have obviously missed, usually good, thought provoking questions.

Suffice it to say that he was at this game to watch one of the players he knows. I am confident that he knows what constitutes an illegal pitch. In this particular instance, his judgement did not agree with the umpires on the field...ever been in that situation?????

I, also, have concerns about posting the names of the umpires involved, but on the other hand, I'm sure they are readily available if you wanted to search the net enough.

He absolutely WAS a spectator. Being a respected umpire or board contributor doesn't change that fact.

BTW, the "poster without a clue" comment was not referring to him.


I'm CERTAIN the officials working those game know what constitutes an IP.

Of course I've been in that situation. SPECTATORS often disagree with umpires. I have a daughter playing college ball and when I am at her games as a SPECTATOR, I disagree with judgement and certainly take note of poor mechanics, but I don't feel the need to comment at the game, nor on an umpire forum.

Good. Then let those who want to know go search.

It seems to me that if the names are readily available (e.g., college softball officials names go in the box score it took me less than a minute to find them) then it doesn't hurt to mention them. You'll see this all the time on the Baseball, Football, and Basketball forums. I agree we needn't mention high school names where it isn't a matter of record.
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If you don't see the problem some people would have with having their name mentioned as someone who may be purposely not calling a (supposed) illegal pitch, then I won't bother trying. Don't get me wrong, having spent some time with at least one of the crew members, I can almost guarantee he could give a rat's a$$ about what's said about him on an online forum.

I agree about the HS names though. If I were to start posting the name of every poor HS official I see, I'd quickly have more posts that IRISH.

You misunderstand my point. Whether you mention the names or not, once you mention the particular game you have identified the umpires. If you have an issue with calling out specific umpires, that seems fair enough but to achieve that you have to not mention the specific game because once you've done that you have identified the umpires in question.
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You may have something with picture 2 as its hard to drag away from the pitching plate without the toe down.

To those of you that may not recognize the names, one is a multiple time D1 WCWS umpire. Not saying every one that has ever been there is someone I feel is completely on the top of our profession, but that one is one of them that I do.

the forum is a public area, the game takes place in a public area, the umps are paid professionals in a public area. no problem with names. goes with the territory.

OK, so I guess you'd feel the same way if this were posted:

"I was up in VA on business and decided to catch a HS game one evening. Worse PU I've seen in a while. Slot/timing/zone were horrible. No movement away from plate. To top it all off, his hat was turned backwards. Come to find out it was _________ ___________, a.k.a. "ronald" from this forum. By reading his posts, I thought he was better than that. I will upload a few pics shortly."

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No problem with being mentioned. Big girl sport. Gig boy umpires. Maybe it helps create a learning attitude. Names of players have been mentioned on this board. Why are the names of officials special?

hrmmm i dont find the pictures inconclusive... informative at best.

I assume you mean Big Boy umpires......well #1 I am offended you called us umpires big (I resemble that remark), #2 I am offended for all the female umpires out there, they are Big Girl Umpires......wait they are Adult Umpires, never call a woman big even if you meant it in a nice way!!! :D

Oops. If they are edited out, you still have them in your quote.

After they didn't renew the contract of the folks that suggested a crack down on illegal pitches, I was thinking it would be free-form pitching this year.

(P.S. Unless you know something about the pitcher's green card status, I believe it is just the pitches that are illegal, not the pitchers themselves. ;))

You never know, they my be "packin" without a permit:eek:.

Thanks, fixed. :o