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Andy Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:45am

I love it when a coach gets caught.....
 
Jr College game yesterday.

I am PU, no runners on, no outs. Team A player lines a shot into the left-center gap, easy stand up double. Ball comes back into the pitcher, she asks for time and appeals the runner missing first (she did), my BU partner calls the out.

Here comes the coach from the third base coaches box to complain. He rants and raves for a few minutes, then returns. The funny thing is that this coach teaches his runners to cut first base short to get to second quicker, assuming that neither umpire or the other team is watching. I say that because in every game that I have had this team in the last seven years, I have seen his runners do this, but the other teams never seem to catch it...until this game.

I had to work really hard to keep a straight face while all of this was going on!:D

RKBUmp Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:52am

Andy, how well do I know this coach???????? LOL

NCASAUmp Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:55pm

I'd say about 98% of the missed bases I catch during a game are never appealed.

And 98% of the appeals I DO get for leaving too soon or missing a base are wrong.

Go figure!

Andy Fri Feb 18, 2011 03:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 731596)
Andy, how well do I know this coach???????? LOL

Very well....as you have been in attendance at most of his games for the last two years!!!!! And I'm sure you know exactly what I am talking about! :)

RKBUmp Fri Feb 18, 2011 03:49pm

That really wasnt to hard to guess. Maybe if he spent as much time coaching as he does arguing. LOL. How does his team look this year? Most of the girls that should have returned left.

azbigdawg Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:29pm

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 731689)
That really wasnt to hard to guess. Maybe if he spent as much time coaching as he does arguing. LOL. How does his team look this year? Most of the girls that should have returned left.

Cant hit. I wouldnt be surprised if they werent in the running at all.

I love to see him frustrated....

Andy Sat Feb 19, 2011 01:38am

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Originally Posted by azbigdawg (Post 731798)
Cant hit. I wouldnt be surprised if they werent in the running at all.

I love to see him frustrated....

That's what I saw. Their pitching is average at best.

I think yesterday's game is the first time I have seen them shut out, lost the first game of the DH 7-0, lost the secong game 6-2, didn't score until the 5th inning.

drh898 Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:07am

We have a coach out here (San Jose area) who teaches the kids to leave early, especially from 3rd base when he has a bunt on. I have 2-3 games with his team a year and catch them at least once a game. But he still keeps doing it so it makes me wonder what the other umps are doing. I would think that if he was caught consistently he would stop teaching this.

Andy Wed Feb 23, 2011 02:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by drh898 (Post 733428)
We have a coach out here (San Jose area) who teaches the kids to leave early, especially from 3rd base when he has a bunt on. I have 2-3 games with his team a year and catch them at least once a game. But he still keeps doing it so it makes me wonder what the other umps are doing. I would think that if he was caught consistently he would stop teaching this.

But the question is: When you do catch it and call it, does he whine and cry and pout and make a big deal out of it?

Gulf Coast Blue Wed Feb 23, 2011 04:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 731626)
I'd say about 98% of the missed bases I catch during a game are never appealed.

And 98% of the appeals I DO get for leaving too soon or missing a base are wrong.

Go figure!

I had the good luck of umpiring for one of the Olympic hopefuls back in the 90's. Dee Williams who played for LSU. When in HS a missed base under NFHS was an automatic call. She knew which HS umpires paid attention vs. those that didn't. She cut many a base back then.

I also umpired behind the plate for Cat Osterman a couple of times.......my oldest actually got a clean base hit against Cat when we played them in a pre-season tourney when she play for Cypress HS. Unfortunately......she faced her a few times in travel ball and did not have any luck.

Also had the great pleasure of umpiring two games with Christa Williams back in the mid 90's when Dobie played in a local HS tournament.

I have also noticed that many a missed base is never appealled. And also that many that are were not really missed bases.

Joel

drh898 Thu Feb 24, 2011 01:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy (Post 733519)
But the question is: When you do catch it and call it, does he whine and cry and pout and make a big deal out of it?

The first time he did. After that he just looks at me and shakes his head.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Feb 24, 2011 05:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gulf Coast Blue (Post 733609)
When in HS a missed base under NFHS was an automatic call.
Joel


I remember those days. Two games come to mind both in the same year.

Game 1: I was the BU and not once but twice the same player (Home Team) hits a HR and misses 2B both times.


Game 2: I was the PU. It was a weekend tournament in Michigan between two high schools (neither which was the host school) that were greatly mis-matched. The very good team was the H and were scoring at will in the bottom of the first. With still no outs and the bases loaded, the batter walks (on four pitches naturally), the runner on 3B crosses HP without touching hit and proceeds directly to her team's dugout. I ring up the out, and naturally her coach wanted to know how I could make such a call. Next inning same player is on 3B again when the batter walks; she starts to trot toward HP then makes a big theatrical slid across HP. I scored the run and then ejected her for unsportsmanlike conduct. LOL

MTD, Sr.

Bandit Fri Feb 25, 2011 09:46am

Appeal?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 734053)
With still no outs and the bases loaded, the batter walks (on four pitches naturally), the runner on 3B crosses HP without touching hit and proceeds directly to her team's dugout. I ring up the out,

MTD, Sr.

And we rang up the out after appeal ?

Welpe Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:47am

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Originally Posted by Bandit (Post 734185)
And we rang up the out after appeal ?

Per his and Joel's posts, this was when the Fed had no appeals.


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