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Old Fri Oct 11, 2002, 01:04pm
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Case book play

The run clearly scores in baseball. I don't know USSSA, but I think in ASA the run does NOT score.

First, regarding IrishMafia's question about ASA case book 8-6.1 being an appeal: This play deals with fast pitch (live ball on ball 4), where the umpire calls the batter out for entering DBT. The same play in slow pitch (dead ball on ball 4) would be an appeal.

Interpolation from ASA case book 8.2-12 indicates that in oppool's play the run does NOT score:

(FP Only) One out, R1 on 3B, R2 on 2B, R3 on 1B, the batter receives ball four and goes into the dugout. R1 is tagged by the catcher before he touches home. Ruling: Ball is live. Batter-runner is out for entering dead ball territory. Runner from third is out for being tagged off base as the force is removed.

So if we took oppool's play except that we posited 1 out instead of 2, if after they picked R2 off, they threw home and tagged that runner, the run would not score. Apparently if a preceding runner is put out, it becomes a time play.

In ASA, whenever a following runner is put out, the force is removed on all preceding runners, even (unlike OBR, Fed, and NCAA) for the purposes of missed bases. Therefore, in oppool's play, I think we could argue that, unlike in baseball, once R2 was tagged after rounding third, the runner from third was no longer forced. It becomes a pure time play, the run now solely dependent on whether it crossed before the other runner was put out.

Compare ASA case book rulings on two-out dead-ball home runs and two-out live-ball hits, where if a runner passes another runner before a run scores, the run is nullified.
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