I have no problem with awarding a base for an IP in SP as I have no issue with calling an IP no matter the level of league or tournaments. Right now, there's really no deterrent except a ball for the batter. Let's make these SP pitchers put it there for the hitters to hit.
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Reading from a 2008 rulebook since that's what I have available at the moment. Rule 1, definitions, Fair Ball A legally batted ball that: E. Touches first, second or third base. 8.2.M Double base ... 1. A batted ball hitting or bounding over the white portion is fair. 2. A batted ball hitting or bounding over the colored portion is foul. Now, we all know that A is meant to trump B. A ball bounding over both is fair and one hitting both is fair. That's the rule, even though it isn't written down anywhere. If you didn't know how to call this and had to figure it out from the book, you'd be hopelessly lost. Now the new definition which does not fix 8.2.M will read: Rule 1.Fair.E Touches first (white portion only), second or third base. which is meant to make the two consistent. Perhaps it isn't meant to solve the obvious problem there. I had assumed it was. But it could incredibly simply. Just by changing the definition of Fair to read: Rule 1.Fair.E Touches white portion of first base, second base or third base. If they did that they could even eliminate the part of 8.2.M. that is ambiguous. ________ Wiki Vaporizer |
"Rule 1.Fair.E Touches first (white portion only), second or third base."
Of course we know how to call this, but if it were part of instructions or a legal document, it would have to read, "Touches first (any part of the white portion) . . ." As written, the wording could be argued to mean, "Touches only the white portion of first" [not both portions]. The ambiguity could also be eliminated by deleting "only": i.e., "Touches first (white portion), second . . ." |
Rule 2.1 Move pitcher’s plate for 14U to 43’
Reasoning: To bring players in line with HS. My opinion: None except many of the 14U players are 12 & 13 and how many of them are in HS? Technically they mostly are in middle school, but still play what is loosely referred to as 'high school softball' Rule 3.3 Optic Yellow for all divisions of ASA play. About time! The white ball is dying a slow death anyways - about the only leagues around here that play with white are the slow pitch leagues that use Clinchers. Soon the white softball will be up on that same shelf with white tennis balls and soon to be joined a little later by all white volleyballs. |
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Irishmafia.......could you explain your comment here......
Rule 4.6 JO pool play to allow free substitution Reasoning: Participation My opinion: Don’t they have two months to satisfy participation issues. What do you mean they have 2 months to satisfy? Thanks |
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The rule as amended is subject to being misread to indicate that a ball which hits both the fair and foul portions of first base is not fair because it did not hit ONLY the white portion. The rule is currently ambiguous but we all know how to call it. It will remain so after the change. This is noteworthy to me since the change was to bring this rule into alignment with the other rule and could have resolved that situation. ________ Pattaya property |
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There are two things, hitting the white portion only and the rule applying only if it hits the white portion. As written, it seems to indicate the former but it means the latter. ________ How to roll blunts |
For what it's worth (and I realize that's not much), but I agree with youngump.
This yet another place where they clarify something and introduce ambiguity where it is not necessary (as if it is ever). Yes, we all know that the ball that hits both the white and colored portions of 1B is fair. Yes, we know we have a (different) rule to stipulate this. However, there is no reason why we have to insert the word "(only)" here in such a way that we have coaches ejecting themselves over it. Or was that the intent? :rolleyes: |
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Truly ... EVERY person who has played this sport (including my 10 year old - I read her the rule and then created your example, and she got it right ... and thought it was an idiotic question) already knows this rule. If you feel we need to write every rule so that the Norwegian guy now living in Bassackward, South Dakota will get it on first glance without any training, the rule book is going to be 3 times as long. |
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I'm curious as to your other point though. Where in the book is the actual rule spelled out? I don't have a '10 book but there's an '08 book online and in there the rule makes it clear that a ball hitting both is both fair and foul. See 8-2-M-1&2. Maybe that's been fixed, but if not, this is again an easy place to make it clear. ________ Hanna_Sex |
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