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IRISHMAFIA Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:20pm

Coach's Lament?
 
State tournament, umpires instructed to make the calls they see, IP or otherwise.

LH slapper gets call out for being out of the box in first game of the first night.

Coach comes up to me and gives me his travel itinerary, "I've been to Colorado, Florida, Ohio, New York, New Jersey, Virginia, and NO ONE ever makes that call".

"Coach, was the call inaccurate?" "I've been to Colo........"

"But, Coach, was the call correct?" "No one makes that call, I've been to..."

Whatever!

Following night, guess who gets called out for being out of the box by an umpire who was not there the night before?

Just curious if these coaches really think that we believe their stories?

umpirebob71 Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:52pm

He's lying, we call it in Ohio.

Stu Clary Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:04pm

Last weekend I called an IP when the pitcher took at least 30 seconds to pitch. I heard two "You're the only umpire that's called that all year"s.

JEL Thu Jun 17, 2010 07:21am

Regional HS playoff two years ago.

Late in the game, I called a LH slapper out for stepping out of the box. Of course lines were gone, but foot was clearly out. I'm calling "dead ball" and two runners cross home which of course get sent back, and BR is removed from 2B and called out.

Coach asks "How can you make that call in a game like this?"

I reply, "How can I NOT make that call in a game like this?"

Fans didn't like me much after that (well, half of them anyway!).

NCASAUmp Thu Jun 17, 2010 07:42am

Wait, was I supposed to feel sorry for this coach?

Crap, I screwed up. Queue the music again there, Mike. I forgot to get all sniffly. :rolleyes:

CecilOne Thu Jun 17, 2010 08:21am

Called an IP, coach yelling "NO WAY" from dugout. After a few more, while running in and out of the dugout, he informed me "she is a PIAA pitcher", then "72 games never illegal".

Should I have said:
"I don't care if she pitches for Team USA, crow hops are illegal"
or
"71 bad umpires"?
I almost had to bite my tongue. :D

Welpe Thu Jun 17, 2010 09:07am

Mike, maybe he was just trying to give you his best Johnny Cash rendition?

The comment, "how can you make that call now" always gets me, no matter the sport. I didn't realize we were to ignore certain rules depending upon the game situation. Maybe we ought to just let the players call their own game starting in the 5th inning... "Well we got you all started, I think you know enough now to take it on your own."

As long as we get a full game fee, that would work for me I suppose.

BuggBob Thu Jun 17, 2010 09:30am

Lefty slapper, steps on the plate as the pitcher starts the pitch, swing and a miss – I got nothing. Next, pitch same thing, swing and a double one-run crosses the plate. The instant of contact I call out the dead ball out. Out comes the coach asking me how I could make that call. I tell him well she did step on the plate, so the call kind of made itself. The assistant coach (who used to be a head coach at another school and still thinks he has head coach privileges) comes out to argue that if I’m watching the batters foot I’m not watching the ball. “Dang my secret is out.” Play stands as called, batter out, runners return.

I think that coaches argue, just to argue. At least it didn't end up in hte press like all the IP against AZ in the CWS.

MD Longhorn Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:47am

LOL ... just last Saturday:

I'm PU, pitcher CLEARLY lands WAY outside of the 24" lane toward 2nd base while pitching - I ring up the IP. Coach yelling, "She's been pitching like that for years - no one has ever called that!!!" Yada yada. Rest of the game she pitches close to that 24" but never out of it.

5 games later, same team, I'm waiting for the game to end so I can take the bases on the next game. PU dings her on the very same thing. Coach yells, "Come on blue - NO ONE has ever called that." I'm outside the field, but about 5 feet from coach. Just loud enough for him to hear it, I say, "Really?" He sees who it is and skulks back to the dugout.

JefferMC Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 682346)

I'm PU, pitcher CLEARLY lands WAY outside of the 24" lane toward 2nd base while pitching - I ring up the IP.

Towards 2B? That's some leap. Wish I'd seen that.

SRW Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:11am

HS State Tournament 3 weeks ago. First game of the tourney, I'm PU. F1 outside the 24". Ding. Coach gives the typical "no one ever calls that" line. Even heard a fan yell "80 varsity games, never called"... blah blah. Coach doesn't like my explination, goes to find the UIC. UIC stands behind the backstop and is pretty shocked at what he sees. He allows the coach to stand there with him for a few minutes. Never heard another word from the coach after she saw what I was calling. Called around 15 IP's on her, and probably could have called more.

IRISHMAFIA Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRW (Post 682354)
HS State Tournament 3 weeks ago. First game of the tourney, I'm PU. F1 outside the 24". Ding. Coach gives the typical "no one ever calls that" line. Even heard a fan yell "80 varsity games, never called"... blah blah. Coach doesn't like my explination, goes to find the UIC. UIC stands behind the backstop and is pretty shocked at what he sees. He allows the coach to stand there with him for a few minutes. Never heard another word from the coach after she saw what I was calling. Called around 15 IP's on her, and probably could have called more.

Glad that worked out for you, but it isn't something the UIC should have done.

txump81 Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 682346)
5 games later, same team, I'm waiting for the game to end so I can take the bases on the next game. PU dings her on the very same thing. Coach yells, "Come on blue - NO ONE has ever called that." I'm outside the field, but about 5 feet from coach. Just loud enough for him to hear it, I say, "Really?" He sees who it is and skulks back to the dugout.

NICE!!!! I wish I could have seen the look on his face.:D

MD Longhorn Thu Jun 17, 2010 03:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JefferMC (Post 682351)
Towards 2B? That's some leap. Wish I'd seen that.

:) errrrr... 3rd base. sorry

Gulf Coast Blue Thu Jun 17, 2010 04:44pm

Couple of favorite quotes by coaches........

Ground ball to F4 that is well in front of R1......it takes a funny hop and F4 could not handle it....she can't seem to pick it up (quite comical) and both the R1 and the BR are safe......1st base coach looks at me after the dust settles and declares......"c'mon Blue.....that has to be something"........sigh

After an close out call at 1st......coach not pleased that his runner gave up.....looks at me and says...."You need glasses"......I just pointed to my face and said......"too late".....

Almost ran him.........but it was a State Tournament and I had never had any troubles with this guy (from our district).....I think he was just frustrated with his runner and vented at me......

Joel

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Jun 17, 2010 06:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gulf Coast Blue (Post 682414)
Couple of favorite quotes by coaches........

Ground ball to F4 that is well in front of R1......it takes a funny hop and F4 could not handle it....she can't seem to pick it up (quite comical) and both the R1 and the BR are safe......1st base coach looks at me after the dust settles and declares......"c'mon Blue.....that has to be something"........sigh

After an close out call at 1st......coach not pleased that his runner gave up.....looks at me and says...."You need glasses"......I just pointed to my face and said......"too late".....

Almost ran him.........but it was a State Tournament and I had never had any troubles with this guy (from our district).....I think he was just frustrated with his runner and vented at me......

Joel




"c'mon Blue.....that has to be something......" Yes, safe at 1st and 2nd.



"After an close out call at 1st......coach not pleased that his runner gave up.....looks at me and says...."You need glasses"......I just pointed to my face and said......"too late"..... You are out of here.


MTD, Sr.

New Blue Fri Jun 18, 2010 08:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gulf Coast Blue (Post 682414)
looks at me and says...."You need glasses"......I just pointed to my face and said......"too late".....

I think "you do too!" would have been appropriate as well!

BuggBob Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:18am

I once had a coach yell, “You suck!” at me during a particularly close play.

I calmly walked over to him and asked him, “How do you expect your players to respect themselves when you tell them that they suck.”

He was shocked and stammered, “Not them. You suck!”

“Oh,” I said with an exaggerated sense of discovery, “in that case your day is done, you can go home now.”

NCASAUmp Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuggBob (Post 682498)
I once had a coach yell, “You suck!” at me during a particularly close play.

I calmly walked over to him and asked him, “How do you expect your players to respect themselves when you tell them that they suck.”

He was shocked and stammered, “Not them. You suck!”

“Oh,” I said with an exaggerated sense of discovery, “in that case your day is done, you can go home now.”

Consider this one stolen!

MD Longhorn Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:49pm

"You need glasses!!"

"You need binoculars..."

Andy Fri Jun 18, 2010 04:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gulf Coast Blue (Post 682414)
Couple of favorite quotes by coaches........

Ground ball to F4 that is well in front of R1......it takes a funny hop and F4 could not handle it....she can't seem to pick it up (quite comical) and both the R1 and the BR are safe......1st base coach looks at me after the dust settles and declares......"c'mon Blue.....that has to be something"........sigh

You're right coach...Scorekeeper.....E-4! :eek:

ihateumpires Fri Jun 18, 2010 09:56pm

you guys need to pat each other on the back
 
Ignorance, arrogance, ego, stupidity, and the need to be noticed by injecting themselves into the spotlight is a dangerous scenario, especially for an idiot with a couple hours of “I AM IN CONTROL” attitude. These mannerisms destroyed the wcws. Thanks

IRISHMAFIA Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ihateumpires (Post 682544)
Ignorance, arrogance, ego, stupidity, and the need to be noticed by injecting themselves into the spotlight is a dangerous scenario, especially for an idiot with a couple hours of “I AM IN CONTROL” attitude. These mannerisms destroyed the wcws. Thanks

Hey, look an idiot without a clue. Nor the courage to do a job for which she has no problem criticizing others.

Go figure.

NCASAUmp Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 682549)
Hey, look an idiot without a clue. Nor the courage to do a job for which she has no problem criticizing others.

Go figure.

Same kind of prick who would spit on a soldier.

Gotta admire him for one thing, though. He set a new record for lowest number of posts before getting ignored.

umpirebob71 Sat Jun 19, 2010 05:41pm

On the profile for ihateumpires, it says they have no friends yet. Hard to believe with insight as keen as that, huh? The good thing is, schmucks like this usually flame out pretty fast on here.

CecilOne Mon Jun 21, 2010 03:41pm

My two favorite coaches of the weekend:

1) after an IP, asked for time, asked permission to ask the BU about the IP, jogged from 3rd base dugout to BU coming in from A, said "I need to know more to correct that, what did she do?". After BU said it was a leap, coach said "thank you", then to pitcher "stay on the ground", thanked the PU and jogged back. All quietly. :D :cool:

2) Time running out, down 5 runs in a semi-final, coach hoping for another inning had batter strike out deliberately. Missed the time limit by 15 seconds, said "OK", then "line up girls". Earlier, quietly accepted an after-the-play enforcement of OBS that put an opponent on 3rd. :D :cool:

Steve M Mon Jun 21, 2010 05:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 682710)
My two favorite coaches of the weekend:

1) after an IP, asked for time, asked permission to ask the BU about the IP, jogged from 3rd base dugout to BU coming in from A, said "I need to know more to correct that, what did she do?". After BU said it was a leap, coach said "thank you", then to pitcher "stay on the ground", thanked the PU and jogged back. All quietly. :D :cool:

2) Time running out, down 5 runs in a semi-final, coach hoping for another inning had batter strike out deliberately. Missed the time limit by 15 seconds, said "OK", then "line up girls". Earlier, quietly accepted an after-the-play enforcement of OBS that put an opponent on 3rd. :D :cool:

yo Cecil. Where in the world do you find coaches like that?!?

CecilOne Tue Jun 22, 2010 02:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve M (Post 682729)
yo Cecil. Where in the world do you find coaches like that?!?

Games I umpire! :D :D :p :D

Bandit Tue Jun 22, 2010 02:52pm

Why not ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 682355)
Glad that worked out for you, but it isn't something the UIC should have done.

Don't understand something from original quote....HS tournament.....UIC....Was this a HS tournament thru a State Athletic Association or a travel tournament with HS age teams......Just couriuos. The reason I ask is that in Indiana we don't have UIC's for HS tournaments. We are contracted directly by the schools as individual umpires. Just wondering.

But I do ask IM why should not the UIC show the coach what is being called if indeed it is correct. I have UIC'd tournaments before and have heard complaints....quietly checked out the IP calls or calls in other instances and found my umpires to be correct. NOW....I have found umpires to be incorrect also, and that obvioulsy changes the approach. But if found to be true and you can quietly show the coach the problem and maybe get it corrected as the game or tournament continues.....Why not

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jun 22, 2010 06:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bandit (Post 682876)
But I do ask IM why should not the UIC show the coach what is being called if indeed it is correct.

And what happens if the pitcher does not repeat the infraction? What is the UIC going to show the coach? Meanwhile, it is possible the UIC has unwittingly shown up the umpire and given the coach that much more to whine about.

Quote:

I have UIC'd tournaments before and have heard complaints....quietly checked out the IP calls or calls in other instances and found my umpires to be correct.
Quietly is one thing. This UIC openly stood behind the backstop WITH the coach in front of already excited fans. I constantly move around. I will sit for a while, get up walk around to different fields, watch from centerfield, watch from across the parking lot, watch from wherever my feet take me. Then I'll sit down for a while until I get up and do it all over again. I do not approach loud fields

Quote:

NOW....I have found umpires to be incorrect also, and that obvioulsy changes the approach. But if found to be true and you can quietly show the coach the problem and maybe get it corrected as the game or tournament continues.....Why not
Again, quietly and inconspicuous is one thing. This coach went off, tracked down the UIC. The coach wanted to whine and expected to embarrass the umpire in front the UIC. The coach was told why the pitcher was called illegal, what more can the UIC, who apparently wasn't in the vicinity, going to tell him?

Nah, if the coach comes for me, I'm probably going to ask him why he is out fo the team area during the game :rolleyes: Then I would tell him/her that I will take a look, but at my leisure and I'm not going to instruct the umpire to not call a violation if s/he sees it.


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