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shipwreck Tue Jun 08, 2010 05:08pm

WCWS Championship, game 2, Oh boy!!!!!!!!
 
Not at all impressed with umpiring and it is only the second inning. 1st inning Arizona batter runner slides into second head first. Hand comes into the base, then the tag up high. BU calls her out. Wasn't even close. Botched that one big time. 2nd inning home run by UCLA. 1BU
real slow deciding to go out. When he finally does, he puts his left arm out to let other umpires know he is going out. Bad thing is, he uses the exact signal as a DDB. In a different situation, that signal could easily be construed as him having obstruction somewhere. He needs to use some other signal to let his other umpires know he is going out. Dave

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jun 08, 2010 05:24pm

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Originally Posted by shipwreck (Post 680801)
Not at all impressed with umpiring and it is only the second inning. 1st inning Arizona batter runner slides into second head first. Hand comes into the base, then the tag up high. BU calls her out. Wasn't even close. Botched that one big time. 2nd inning home run by UCLA. 1BU
real slow deciding to go out. When he finally does, he puts his left arm out to let other umpires know he is going out. Bad thing is, he uses the exact signal as a DDB. In a different situation, that signal could easily be construed as him having obstruction somewhere. He needs to use some other signal to let his other umpires know he is going out. Dave

Of maybe it was an IP but since the ball went out.......

shipwreck Tue Jun 08, 2010 06:18pm

Maybe???, but shouldn't the arm come out when you see the IP? While he was standing on the line, before he went out, his arm looked down to me. Dave

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jun 08, 2010 06:38pm

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Originally Posted by shipwreck (Post 680809)
Maybe???, but shouldn't the arm come out when you see the IP? While he was standing on the line, before he went out, his arm looked down to me. Dave

Don't know, didn't see it. Just offering a possible cause. Personally, I've never seen anyone use their arm or anything else to signal that they were going out.

3SPORT Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:21pm

The only shot I saw on the replay was when he went out and had his left arm extended and was looking back briefly. My first thoughts was he was calling an IP but yes, since it was a homerun a mute point.

On the play at second, yes she was safe but you could see he made the call on the run. That always makes it tough when you are moving to get all of the elements of the play.

IRISHMAFIA Wed Jun 09, 2010 06:48am

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Originally Posted by 3SPORT (Post 680888)
On the play at second, yes she was safe but you could see he made the call on the run. That always makes it tough when you are moving to get all of the elements of the play.

Think the view may have been different from the inside with the play coming toward the umpire instead of from behind? :D

3SPORT Wed Jun 09, 2010 08:25am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 680906)
Think the view may have been different from the inside with the play coming toward the umpire instead of from behind? :D

Inside or outside, you can blow the call on either side if you do not get a good angle. I would have gone inside on that play especially if the runner headed straight to second.

CecilOne Wed Jun 09, 2010 01:50pm

I almost forgot to report that I learned a new mechanic last night.
When you call a BR out at 1st, concurrently with the hammer signal, raise your left foot forward and up almost to knee height.

MLB: Phillies vs. Marlins

Rich Ives Wed Jun 09, 2010 01:55pm

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 681054)
I almost forgot to report that I learned a new mechanic last night.
When you call a BR out at 1st, concurrently with the hammer signal, raise your left foot forward and up almost to knee height.

MLB: Phillies vs. Marlins

You never saw Ron Luciano did you?

MD Longhorn Wed Jun 09, 2010 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by shipwreck (Post 680801)
When he finally does, he puts his left arm out to let other umpires know he is going out. Bad thing is, he uses the exact signal as a DDB. In a different situation, that signal could easily be construed as him having obstruction somewhere. He needs to use some other signal to let his other umpires know he is going out. Dave

Extremely early obstruction call?!?! :)

renrodb Wed Jun 09, 2010 02:41pm

[QUOTE=shipwreck;680801]Not at all impressed with umpiring and it is only the second inning. 1st inning Arizona batter runner slides into second head first. Hand comes into the base, then the tag up high. BU calls her out. Wasn't even close. Botched that one big time.
The 3rd base umpire chose to go out on the pop fly which landed about 10 feet inside the baseline and in front of the left fielder (instead of coming into the infield toward 2nd base). That made the 1st base umpire late in covering the play at 2nd and he made the call from the area between 2nd and the outfield grass line which is not a good look into the tag at second.

SC Ump Wed Jun 09, 2010 06:11pm

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Originally Posted by 3SPORT (Post 680888)
... yes, since it was a homerun a mute point.

Sorry, but I gotta...

So, what your saying is he gave the signal but didn't verbialize it? :D

HugoTafurst Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:08am

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Originally Posted by SC Ump (Post 681127)
Sorry, but I gotta...

So, what your saying is he gave the signal but didn't verbialize it? :D

;););)


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