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greymule Thu May 06, 2010 12:29pm

So the R1 run would count, even though they were touch out order. Would that be considered as a R2 passing R1?

No, if a runner misses a base and then a following runner touches that base, the following runner is not considered to have "passed" the preceding runner. Passing means physically passing.

The appeal on a runner who has left before the first touch that leads to a catch is never a force play. If it's the third out, any preceding runners that scored before the out count. Following runners who scored do not count.

An appeal of a missed base can be either a force play or a time play, depending on the circumstances. But know that the various codes are not completely aligned on this matter. For example, an appeal of a missed base might be a force play in baseball but not in softball, even on the exact same type of play.

Canary Thu May 06, 2010 02:21pm

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Originally Posted by greymule (Post 675910)
So the R1 run would count, even though they were touch out order. Would that be considered as a R2 passing R1?

No, if a runner misses a base and then a following runner touches that base, the following runner is not considered to have "passed" the preceding runner. Passing means physically passing.

The appeal on a runner who has left before the first touch that leads to a catch is never a force play. If it's the third out, any preceding runners that scored before the out count. Following runners who scored do not count.

An appeal of a missed base can be either a force play or a time play, depending on the circumstances. But know that the various codes are not completely aligned on this matter. For example, an appeal of a missed base might be a force play in baseball but not in softball, even on the exact same type of play.

Okay so in any event, if the scored run is actually behind the third out on the bases, even though they crossed ALL bases correctly, even though the third out was an appeal, the run does not count.

I,m trying to sum this up. :cool:

NCASAUmp Thu May 06, 2010 02:28pm

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Originally Posted by Canary (Post 675922)
Okay so in any event, if the scored run is actually behind the third out on the bases, even though they crossed ALL bases correctly, even though the third out was an appeal, the run does not count.

I,m trying to sum this up. :cool:

Correct. How can I score if the runner in front of me was the third out? :)


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