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RKBUmp Wed Mar 31, 2010 09:10am

Out of the mouths of freshman coaches
 
Worked a solo freshman game last night. One of the teams shows up with 18 players, 13 of them in red jerseys, 5 in blue. Explain to coach that they must all be like uniforms and her school needs to get some more jerseys, she says they wont spend the money. She then hands me her lineup card and some of her subs have 2 numbers, one being in perenthecies. I ask about this, she explains that those are the players in blue uniforms and if they come into the game they are just going to switch jerseys with a red player. LOL.

Typical complaints from both coaches about runners leaving early etc etc etc. Finally a player hits a line drive into left field, probably 40' past 3rd base. Ball tails a little but easily lands 10' inside the line in fair territory then spins into foul. Batter ends up with a triple out of it, here comes coach. "That was a foul ball!". No coach, it was fair. "No one touched that ball until it was foul" Coach, it landed in fair territory beyond 3rd base it is fair. "I played college softball, I think I know the rules of the game."

Andy Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:34am

You better let me know which team(s) this was so that I can avoid them...or not! :)

Will you send me a report on the team with the Jersey issue? Generally, at the Freshman level, it's not as big a deal, but I want it for reference.

RKBUmp Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:45am

Andy, already sent.

IRISHMAFIA Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:05pm

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Ball tails a little but easily lands 10' inside the line in fair territory then spins into foul. Batter ends up with a triple out of it, here comes coach. "That was a foul ball!". No coach, it was fair. "No one touched that ball until it was foul" Coach, it landed in fair territory beyond 3rd base it is fair. "I played college softball, I think I know the rules of the game."
Must have been there on an athletic scholarship.:rolleyes:

shagpal Wed Mar 31, 2010 01:09pm

I once had a coach question why I wasn't enforcing the LBR. he said "my catcher is having to look the runners back. you should call the runners out". I did my best to give a face saving reply with all his girls around.

IRISHMAFIA Fri Apr 02, 2010 05:42pm

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 672293)
Who yesterday thought a batted ball was fair because the fielder's feet were. :rolleyes:

Should have told him you remember that pitch, it was called illegal :rolleyes:

Duke Fri Apr 02, 2010 06:11pm

You should point the coach to this 2010 editorial change from the NFHS site.

2-20-1f
Clarified that a batted ball is fair if it first falls or is first touched on or over fair territory beyond first, second, or third base
.

RKBUmp Fri Apr 02, 2010 06:21pm

Another one from yesterday. Runners on 2 & 3, no outs, batter pops up to F5, both runners going on the hit. Runner from 3 crosses plate and turns toward dugout, runner from 2 rounds 3rd and is half way home. Ball gets caught and chaos ensues. Ball thrown to catcher, thrown back to F5, thrown back to catcher, runner that crossed home now decides to head back to 3rd, runner from 2nd is standing on 3rd, ball thrown back to F5 who steps on bag, but doesnt tag runner standing there. Runner standing on 3rd now decides to run back to 2nd. In the mean time the coach is looking at me yelling, "what do we do? what do we do?" Now F5 tries for the triple play by throwing to F4 at 2nd, except she throws it into right center. Runner never retouches 2nd and scores. Now I have both coaches yelling, what do we do?

youngump Fri Apr 02, 2010 08:06pm

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 672337)
Another one from yesterday. Runners on 2 & 3, no outs, batter pops up to F5, both runners going on the hit. Runner from 3 crosses plate and turns toward dugout, runner from 2 rounds 3rd and is half way home. Ball gets caught and chaos ensues. Ball thrown to catcher, thrown back to F5, thrown back to catcher, runner that crossed home now decides to head back to 3rd, runner from 2nd is standing on 3rd, ball thrown back to F5 who steps on bag, but doesnt tag runner standing there. Runner standing on 3rd now decides to run back to 2nd. In the mean time the coach is looking at me yelling, "what do we do? what do we do?" Now F5 tries for the triple play by throwing to F4 at 2nd, except she throws it into right center. Runner never retouches 2nd and scores. Now I have both coaches yelling, what do we do?

If F5 tagged the runner standing on 3rd, I'd still require an actual verbal appeal before I'd believe he wanted the runner for leaving early at second.

As for what you do, unless someone calls time, you let B4 bat. If the coach calls time, you deal with what he brings to you. If an infielder tells you that R2 left early you call her out on appeal and go to the next inning.
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RKBUmp Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:00am

Both coaches kept asking me what to do. Just kept my mouth shut, called for next batter and said play ball. After the game I explained to them what they needed to do.

CecilOne Sat Apr 03, 2010 07:17am

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 672364)
Both coaches kept asking me what to do. Just kept my mouth shut, called for next batter and said play ball. After the game I explained to them what they needed to do.

:cool: :)

IRISHMAFIA Sat Apr 03, 2010 09:15am

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 672364)
Both coaches kept asking me what to do. Just kept my mouth shut, called for next batter and said play ball. After the game I explained to them what they needed to do.

Yeah, pack up the gear and go home ;)

Think that would have worked if you told them that during the play :D

Really don't understand why they would expect the umpire to tell them especially the coach who played college ball and knew the rules :rolleyes:

Al Sat Apr 03, 2010 09:34am

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 672293)
Who yesterday thought a batted ball was fair because the fielder's feet were. :rolleyes:



Hello, all. It's good to know I have this board of many very knowledgeable officials, who love the best game on earth and give of their time to help improve fellow umpires, which in turn, improves the quality of games for fans, players, and coaches alike.

I'm still hoping a coach will ask me where the fielders feet were in the situation you quoted above, Cecil. I forget who; but someone on this board when asked "where were her feet, blue?" said: ..."In her shoes, coach, but what matters is where the ball was when touched... not where the fielders feet were". :) Nothing like fun at the ole' ball park. Al

MichaelVA2000 Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:05pm

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 671877)
Possibly related to the VARSiTY coach that told me leaping is ok because he has a photo of Jennie Finch ... :rolleyes:

C'mon, it's the same coach that wrote the hands are part of the bat and tie goes to the runner rules

greymule Sun Apr 04, 2010 08:54am

"I played college softball, I think I know the rules of the game."

"Coach, I know guys who played Major League Baseball and don't know the rules of that game."


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