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NCASAUmp Sun Mar 28, 2010 04:42pm

How does your league handle illegal/altered/doctored bats?
 
Just trying to get a feel for how different orgs around the US handles this situation.

During the pre-game bat check, if you find an illegal bat in one team's dugout, what does your crew do? How about an altered bat? Or one that's been to the bat doctors?

Do they just have to put them back in the bag? Take them to their cars? Are they confiscated until the end of the night?

What kinds of written policies do you have regarding illegal/altered/doctored bats?

shagpal Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:43pm

absent of any explicit league or tournament rule, how would you handle it?

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 671139)
Just trying to get a feel for how different orgs around the US handles this situation.

During the pre-game bat check, if you find an illegal bat in one team's dugout, what does your crew do? How about an altered bat? Or one that's been to the bat doctors?

Do they just have to put them back in the bag? Take them to their cars? Are they confiscated until the end of the night?

What kinds of written policies do you have regarding illegal/altered/doctored bats?


CecilOne Mon Mar 29, 2010 01:41pm

Is it a new record to have a thread hijacked on the second post? :p :)

NCASAUmp Mon Mar 29, 2010 03:22pm

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 671368)
Is it a new record to have a thread hijacked on the second post? :p :)

I've learned to ignore his little ramblings. I don't ask questions here to have them immediately turned around on me.

If I ask a question, I want YOUR answers. Not my own. Idjit.

JefferMC Mon Mar 29, 2010 03:24pm

I found his replies worth re-figuring out how the "ignore" feature works.

NCASAUmp Mon Mar 29, 2010 03:34pm

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Originally Posted by JefferMC (Post 671393)
I found his replies worth re-figuring out how the "ignore" feature works.

I think he plays the piano.

JefferMC Mon Mar 29, 2010 03:38pm

Ah... yes. The reason I went to figure out how ignore worked the first time.

NCASAUmp Mon Mar 29, 2010 03:54pm

So do any of you care to offer your procedures that your local leagues want you to follow regarding bats that don't pass muster? :)

shagpal Mon Mar 29, 2010 04:49pm

how would you handle it?

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 671400)
So do any of you care to offer your procedures that your local leagues want you to follow regarding bats that don't pass muster? :)


CecilOne Tue Mar 30, 2010 07:02am

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 671400)
So do any of you care to offer your procedures that your local leagues want you to follow regarding bats that don't pass muster? :)

As far as I know, NCAA are the only ones who routinely confiscate bats, but there are organizations that allow the UIC or TD to do so. I do not have any instructions for games to do anything but prohibit use.

CecilOne Tue Mar 30, 2010 07:03am

Diplomatically.
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Originally Posted by shagpal (Post 671411)
how would you handle it?

Diplomatically.

Andy Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:19am

I don't really work a lot of league play anymore, so I can't comment on that aspect.

In championship tournament play, if an altered, illegal, or otherwise non-usable bat (dented, cracked, rattles, etc) is found, it is confiscated and tagged by the UIC of the tournament. The team or player is issued a ticket with a number that corresponds to the tag. When that team is eliminated from the tournament, they can present the ticket to claim their bat.

NCASAUmp Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:41pm

One of our local leagues has a policy that if an illegal/altered bat is found during the pre-game equipment check, the bat goes to the field supervisor for him/her to hold onto until the end of the game.

If, during the course of the game, a team decides to protest another team's bat after the bat check, they have to pay $50, but the bat is still allowed to be used in the game. At the end of the game, the bat is taken by the field supervisor, who then brings it to the league director for examination.

shagpal Tue Mar 30, 2010 04:50pm

even players loath other players that bring doctored bat to games. if I identify a FoSho doctored bat in the pre-game, I tell the bat owner, I am taking the bat for inspection, or he can take the bat home, and himself with it. if he has a home run derby bat and brought it out into the dugout by mistake, onus is on the player. I give the culprit the option, a face saving way out, or risk confiscation for inspection/examination.

"altered" bats, such as tape, knob cuffs, bat warming, etc. are correctable, and I let them correct it on the spot, or tell them to keep it in the dugout till it's corrected. utrip bats, I ask them politely to keep them in their equipment bags, because someone can pick it up and use it accidentally. I'd never "take" a players bat unless I am sure it's doctored, or else run the risk over-officiating.

I'd follow local league procedures, but my local leagues don't address this, that is why I asked what common sense you would apply when no local rule is stated. diplomatic means different things to different people, umpire included.

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 671638)
One of our local leagues has a policy that if an illegal/altered bat is found during the pre-game equipment check, the bat goes to the field supervisor for him/her to hold onto until the end of the game.

If, during the course of the game, a team decides to protest another team's bat after the bat check, they have to pay $50, but the bat is still allowed to be used in the game. At the end of the game, the bat is taken by the field supervisor, who then brings it to the league director for examination.



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