Yet another INT/OBS question

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

It is OBS and you must place the runner someplace. Seems to me that 3B is the only open base.

I was re-reading the obstruction section and actually became more confused.

Lets say no one on, BR hits a 1 hopper to LF, who catches it on the hop and throws to 2B right away, the BR takes a "big turn" past first and bumps into the firstbaseman. Now if the runner had actually tried for 2nd they would have been out by a mile, whats the award, if any, here?

Lets say 1st and 2nd, 1 out, IF is playing in. GB to the 3B, who fields it and touches 3rd, but the SS never moved out of the basepath and the runner runs into him, but had 0 chance of ever making it to 3rd safely, whats the award, if any, here?

Rule 8-5-B

Section 5. RUNNERS ARE ENTITLED TO ADVANCE WITHOUT LIABILITY TO BE
PUT OUT.
When a fielder not in possession of the ball or not in the act of fielding a
batted ball, obstructs the progress of a runner or batter-runner.

Rule 8-5-B-2

If the obstructed runner is put out prior to reaching the base which would
have been reached had there not been obstruction,
EFFECT: A dead ball is called and the obstructed runner and all other
runners shall be awarded the base or bases which would have been
reached, in the umpire’s judgment, had there not been obstruction.

in either sit I described, neither runner would have made it to the next base if there was no obstruction. 8-5-B-2 seems to contradict 8-5-B