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IRISHMAFIA Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:33am

2010 NFHS Rule Changes
 
http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmana...ES_CHANGES.pdf

Dakota Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:20pm

Now that NFHS has gone to 43' (beginning 2010-11 season), will ASA change anything for 16U or 18U-B?

3SPORT Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:21pm

Good change on pitching distance and on letting bobby pins etc...

Not sure why we needed a definition or clarification on a fair ball?

Dakota Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:26pm

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Originally Posted by 3SPORT (Post 612992)
...Not sure why we needed a definition or clarification on a fair ball?

It's the second base deal. I suppose (guess) they are trying to deal with the imaginary line theory as to what constitutes "beyond 1st and 3rd".

wadeintothem Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:47pm

Love the bobby pin rule.

I guess some jewelry nazis are gonna have to find something else to do with all their spare time other than hair inspections. :D

Dakota Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 613009)
Love the bobby pin rule.

I guess some jewelry nazis are gonna have to find something else to do with all their spare time other than hair inspections. :D

Tout au contraire, wade old friend. The referenced document says:
Quote:

Added an exception to permit hard, unadorned devices, such as bobby pins, barrettes and hair clips, no longer than 2 inches, to be worn to control a player’s hair.
Plenty of justification there for continued hair inspections! :D

wadeintothem Tue Jul 07, 2009 01:34pm

Doh!

You are correct.

I must further indure then...

BuggBob Tue Jul 07, 2009 01:48pm

Some of the changes are changes just to make changes.

Was that an Infield Fly?

Oh yea the batter is out.

Tru_in_Blu Tue Jul 07, 2009 02:21pm

I wish they'd eliminate the leap from the women's game. Both NFHS and ASA. I see no reason to restrict leaping because of the sex of a player.

Many years ago in a company modified pitch league I played in, we had a couple of female pitchers. They pitched from the 46' distance. I don't recall that leaping was of particular concern back then, although the crow hop was a known violation. I'd guess if the women were pitching from 46', they'd be allowed to leap [w/ the toe pointed down, of course - but that's another discussion].

Dholloway1962 Tue Jul 07, 2009 02:29pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 612964)


Heck we haven't had out 2009 HS season yet and they are publishing changes for 2010 :rolleyes:

Big Slick Tue Jul 07, 2009 02:49pm

Now that there is a clarification of the line up card, will there be a penalty for an inaccurate line up card?

WestMichiganBlue Tue Jul 07, 2009 03:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 612998)
It's the second base deal. I suppose (guess) they are trying to deal with the imaginary line theory as to what constitutes "beyond 1st and 3rd".

It is. A pop fly that drops untouched to the infield and rolls foul is not a fair ball. The infield in NFHS was a triangle - home to 1B to 3B to home. Now it is a rectangle - home to 1B to 2B to 3B to home. Same as ASA.

WMB

wadeintothem Tue Jul 07, 2009 03:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 613045)
I wish they'd eliminate the leap from the women's game. Both NFHS and ASA. I see no reason to restrict leaping because of the sex of a player.

Many years ago in a company modified pitch league I played in, we had a couple of female pitchers. They pitched from the 46' distance. I don't recall that leaping was of particular concern back then, although the crow hop was a known violation. I'd guess if the women were pitching from 46', they'd be allowed to leap [w/ the toe pointed down, of course - but that's another discussion].

I think it would be best if that started at NCAA and went down. IMO, ASA is prep ball for NCAA and should confirm closely to their rules in that regard.

ronald Tue Jul 07, 2009 04:06pm

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 613062)
I think it would be best if that started at NCAA and went down. IMO, ASA is prep ball for NCAA and should confirm closely to their rules in that regard.

I know you mean on the female side. :) ASA is more than just JO ball.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jul 07, 2009 04:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 613045)
I wish they'd eliminate the leap from the women's game. Both NFHS and ASA. I see no reason to restrict leaping because of the sex of a player.

Many years ago in a company modified pitch league I played in, we had a couple of female pitchers. They pitched from the 46' distance. I don't recall that leaping was of particular concern back then, although the crow hop was a known violation. I'd guess if the women were pitching from 46', they'd be allowed to leap [w/ the toe pointed down, of course - but that's another discussion].

The leap was eliminated from the men's game to keep them playing ASA ball. Had nothing to do with the amount of intimate situations by a player.

wadeintothem Tue Jul 07, 2009 04:26pm

At the last ASA/NAFA Mens Tourney I worked, we werent enforcing even crow hop. Many crow hops and even more than a couple of pitchers would take a step off (crow hop #1) then a huge bounding crowhop (#2)

A few would complain "hey blue, aint you supposed to keep them in the circle?" :rolleyes:


But was actually was a relatively few complaints. They just want to play and we let them.

Mens FP is dying and I hope the orgs do as much as possible to keep it alive, because IMO, its the best of the sport.

Its hard to get umps to work it because it pays the same as JO Ball, the BS, and the games are longer. I still do it though; I like to support my sport. That tourney it cost me money because I could have made more working JO Ball.

SC Ump Tue Jul 07, 2009 05:49pm

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 613009)
Love the bobby pin rule.

Now, along with the bat ring, you will be issued a bobby pin ruler.

Tru_in_Blu Tue Jul 07, 2009 06:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 613089)
Mens FP is dying and I hope the orgs do as much as possible to keep it alive, because IMO, its the best of the sport.

Its hard to get umps to work it because it pays the same as JO Ball, the BS, and the games are longer. I still do it though; I like to support my sport. That tourney it cost me money because I could have made more working JO Ball.

I'll agree the mens FP is dwindling. I started playing in the service and spent a couple of years on my base team in addition to intramural squadron play. I dabbled in pitching and got adept enough to pitch at the intramural level but played OF on the base team.

When I got out in '73, there were a couple of FP leagues in my area, one that was superior to the other. After a few years, they ended up merging, and today, there is none. I haven't seen a men's FP game in about 20 years, although I'll admit I really didn't take the time to actively seek one out.

In my area now, we work a few Sunday modified-pitch leagues, a company intramural modified-pitch league and no mens FP.

I think part of the issue is finding guys that actually can pitch. As you all know, if you don't have the pitching, your team isn't going too far, either in a league or tournament play.

I know ASA was doing something a few years ago to try and develop men's pitching skills. I was basically self taught with some pointers from some of my base team teammates. Wish I could have had a coach and some of the training aids and videos that are available these days. Still, I obviously wasn't "going pro" playing softball.

Tru_in_Blu Tue Jul 07, 2009 09:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by WestMichiganBlue (Post 613059)
It is. A pop fly that drops untouched to the infield and rolls foul is not a fair ball. The infield in NFHS was a triangle - home to 1B to 3B to home. Now it is a rectangle - home to 1B to 2B to 3B to home. Same as ASA.

WMB

Sounds like a square. Although I suppose a square can be a rectangle, but a rectangle cannot be a square. Or, maybe a diamond? Whichever...

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jul 07, 2009 09:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 613179)
Sounds like a square. Although I suppose a square can be a rectangle, but a rectangle cannot be a square. Or, maybe a diamond? Whichever...

Well, if you want to be exact, it is neither, at least not for this rule since 3/4 of 2B is outside the square.:cool:

NCASAUmp Tue Jul 07, 2009 09:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 613124)
I'll agree the mens FP is dwindling. I started playing in the service and spent a couple of years on my base team in addition to intramural squadron play. I dabbled in pitching and got adept enough to pitch at the intramural level but played OF on the base team.

When I got out in '73, there were a couple of FP leagues in my area, one that was superior to the other. After a few years, they ended up merging, and today, there is none. I haven't seen a men's FP game in about 20 years, although I'll admit I really didn't take the time to actively seek one out.

In my area now, we work a few Sunday modified-pitch leagues, a company intramural modified-pitch league and no mens FP.

I think part of the issue is finding guys that actually can pitch. As you all know, if you don't have the pitching, your team isn't going too far, either in a league or tournament play.

I know ASA was doing something a few years ago to try and develop men's pitching skills. I was basically self taught with some pointers from some of my base team teammates. Wish I could have had a coach and some of the training aids and videos that are available these days. Still, I obviously wasn't "going pro" playing softball.

I've heard there are some large pockets around the US: St. Louis, areas in IL, NY and Arizona, to name a few. Men's MP is also fading just as quickly, even in our area. Just a few years ago, one of the local leagues had about 4 A-league teams and 4 B-league teams. Now, it's down to just one league with about 4 or 5 teams.

SethPDX Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:30pm

(Some) bobby pins are legal?

There is a softball god. :D

I'm already taking my brush, indicator, and a stopwatch for the 10/20 second rules; so now I have to bring a tape measure with me too? :p


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