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Old Tue Jul 07, 2009, 12:27pm
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You need to be just in foul territory at a 90 degree 10-12 feet from the base for that play
Are you seriously maintaining that you're fast enough to get to that position on the play I described with a good age group playing? In the time it takes a fast runner to cover 40-ish feet --starting moving -- you can go from set to a position 65 feet away? What should a slower guy like me do? If the runners going 40 feet, you have about 35 feet to work with for me.
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Old Tue Jul 07, 2009, 12:40pm
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While I am faster than the average umpire, it depends on the situation. Lets say that on a particular play you were not fast enough or even possible for anyone to be in the ideal position; that doesnt change the ideal position.

You asked where SHOULD you be.

A 90 10-12 is ideal "by the book", sometimes I close from there on a tag play as it develops depending on what is happening.
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Old Tue Jul 07, 2009, 12:41pm
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Angle over distance.

You already have the angle. Close the distance the best you can.
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Old Tue Jul 07, 2009, 12:46pm
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Angle over distance.

You already have the angle. Close the distance the best you can.
I don't have the angle Wade suggested, but I'm thinking more angle is the best thing I can get here. On this play, I'd want to work inside toward the circle to try and get at least 120 to the throw.

What angle would you suggest for this play?
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Old Tue Jul 07, 2009, 12:51pm
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I don't have the angle Wade suggested, but I'm thinking more angle is the best thing I can get here. On this play, I'd want to work inside toward the circle to try and get at least 120 to the throw.

What angle would you suggest for this play?
Actually, I'd want to be as far up the 3B line as I could reasonably get and just inside the line. If this is a tag play, 90-degree angle to the tag. If this is a force play, then outside the line may be pretty good, so I've got a look at the throw being caught and the runner hitting the base.
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Old Tue Jul 07, 2009, 12:58pm
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Lets say that on a particular play you were not fast enough or even possible for anyone to be in the ideal position; that doesnt change the ideal position.
Sure it does. If I run toward the position you are suggesting and make it about 45 feet, I will be straightlined to the throw. Unless someone explains to me something better I want angle on this throw so I'm going inside.
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Actually, I'd want to be as far up the 3B line as I could reasonably get and just inside the line. If this is a tag play, 90-degree angle to the tag. If this is a force play, then outside the line may be pretty good, so I've got a look at the throw being caught and the runner hitting the base.
You'd be straightlined to the throw though.
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Old Tue Jul 07, 2009, 01:04pm
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Sure it does. If I run toward the position you are suggesting and make it about 45 feet, I will be straightlined to the throw. Unless someone explains to me something better I want angle on this throw so I'm going inside.
If you go inside that far, you will get dinged on an eval. When they want you to think, they'll post it for you in the umpire manual.
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Old Tue Jul 07, 2009, 04:31pm
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Remember...

Angle over distance.

You already have the angle. Close the distance the best you can.
Way too much emphasis placed on speed in this game, at least, for umpires.

Get to where you need to be at the best angle you can get. I've worked 6-man games that still didn't cover every possible angle imaginable, so don't worry about it and just do the best you can.
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Old Tue Jul 07, 2009, 09:07pm
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Hey, boss...it wasn't me that came up with this crazy idea.

My partner was the one that presented this to me saying..."that's the way we are doing it in Texas."

I just wanted to see if anyone else is doing or teaching that the BU has a call at third in the OP.
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Old Tue Jul 07, 2009, 10:24pm
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Remember...

Angle over distance.

You already have the angle. Close the distance the best you can.
Thread over!

No need to get up in arms over being too far away on a fast-developing play. You'd be surprised how well you can see with just a good angle.
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Old Wed Jul 08, 2009, 01:26pm
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You'd be straightlined to the throw though.
Part of the positioning is going to be based on read & react. So, While I might get straightlined, it's not likely.
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Old Wed Jul 08, 2009, 01:47pm
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My partner was the one that presented this to me saying..."that's the way we are doing it in Texas."

From what part of Texas? I can't imagine that ever being taught in the Dallas area.
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