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Chess Ref Tue Jun 30, 2009 05:17pm

It bothered me.
 
R1 on 2B. Batter hits a ball to left-center. F7 overthrows the catcher, the ball then hits the fence and bounces right into the player who just scored.

I didn't think it was interference. I had nothing. Partner who is BU and on the grass behind F6 comes up with "Dead Ball Interference on Retired Runner" Then calls the player on 2B out.

I don't think he should have made that call. He said it was a textbook call and I should have made it. It bothered me .

What say you ?

Steve M Tue Jun 30, 2009 05:24pm

That call should bother you - it's protecting the defense on a bad throw. If the runner did nothing to actively interfere with the bad throw, I've got nothing.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jun 30, 2009 05:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chess Ref (Post 611649)
R1 on 2B. Batter hits a ball to left-center. F7 overthrows the catcher, the ball then hits the fence and bounces right into the player who just scored.

I didn't think it was interference. I had nothing. Partner who is BU and on the grass behind F6 comes up with "Dead Ball Interference on Retired Runner" Then calls the player on 2B out.

I don't think he should have made that call. He said it was a textbook call and I should have made it. It bothered me .

What say you ?

I think you should have ruled OBS on F3 and awarded the BR home. :cool:

Chess Ref Tue Jun 30, 2009 05:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve M (Post 611651)
That call should bother you - it's protecting the defense on a bad throw. If the runner did nothing to actively interfere with the bad throw, I've got nothing.

Thanks Steve. I tried to talk it over with my partner after the game, but he ruled it and so it was the law.:rolleyes:

umpirebob71 Tue Jun 30, 2009 05:51pm

The way I see it, he had no business fishing in your pond.

SethPDX Tue Jun 30, 2009 06:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chess Ref (Post 611649)
R1 on 2B. Batter hits a ball to left-center. F7 overthrows the catcher, the ball then hits the fence and bounces right into the player who just scored.

I didn't think it was interference. I had nothing. Partner who is BU and on the grass behind F6 comes up with "Dead Ball Interference on Retired Runner" Then calls the player on 2B out.

I don't think he should have made that call. He said it was a textbook call and I should have made it. It bothered me .

What say you ?

How dare that player get in the way of a poor throw by the defense? Without the interference, the ball may have kept rolling away from F2 and the runner on 2B could have gone to 3rd. :cool:

Sounds like a textbook example of your partner getting up in your business.

Steve M Tue Jun 30, 2009 06:58pm

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Originally Posted by umpirebob71 (Post 611659)
The way I see it, he had no business fishing in your pond.

That's a whole 'nother event. I agree.

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Jun 30, 2009 08:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chess Ref (Post 611649)
I didn't think it was interference. I had nothing. Partner who is BU and on the grass behind F6 comes up with "Dead Ball Interference on Retired Runner" Then calls the player on 2B out.

Did he offer an explanation as to who the h*ll is the retired runner? :confused: In other words, he had no play by making this kind of call! :mad:

Rich Tue Jun 30, 2009 08:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chess Ref (Post 611649)
R1 on 2B. Batter hits a ball to left-center. F7 overthrows the catcher, the ball then hits the fence and bounces right into the player who just scored.

I didn't think it was interference. I had nothing. Partner who is BU and on the grass behind F6 comes up with "Dead Ball Interference on Retired Runner" Then calls the player on 2B out.

I don't think he should have made that call. He said it was a textbook call and I should have made it. It bothered me .

What say you ?

I say "thank goodness" that I don't work with idiots like the base umpire in this game.

wadeintothem Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:25pm

Thats pretty much horrible. It shouldve bothered you big time.

kcg NC2Ablu Wed Jul 01, 2009 07:38am

yeah it would bother me too if I was working with this moron. how did you handle that ? Im sure the coaches were going nuts

Skahtboi Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:20am

Heck. This call is bothering me, and I wasn't even there! :D

HugoTafurst Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chess Ref (Post 611649)
R1 on 2B. Batter hits a ball to left-center. F7 overthrows the catcher, the ball then hits the fence and bounces right into the player who just scored.

I didn't think it was interference. I had nothing. Partner who is BU and on the grass behind F6 comes up with "Dead Ball Interference on Retired Runner" Then calls the player on 2B out.

I don't think he should have made that call. He said it was a textbook call and I should have made it. It bothered me .

What say you ?

Let me add (obviously without fear of contradiction)

1) It was a bogus call
2) Even if it wasn't a bogus call - it was YOUR call to make or not.

Assuming (hahaha) it was an honest mistake by your partner, I would mention it to your assignor - he can straighten the BU out on
1) Knowing his responsibilities
2) Knowing how to apply rules.

Welpe Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 611762)
Heck. This call is bothering me, and I wasn't even there! :D

No kidding. It makes me want to scratch that partner and I'll probably never work with him. Sorry you had to suffer working with that guy, Chess Ref.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chess Ref (Post 611649)
R1 on 2B. Batter hits a ball to left-center. F7 overthrows the catcher, the ball then hits the fence and bounces right into the player who just scored.

I didn't think it was interference. I had nothing. Partner who is BU and on the grass behind F6 comes up with "Dead Ball Interference on Retired Runner" Then calls the player on 2B out.

I don't think he should have made that call. He said it was a textbook call and I should have made it. It bothered me .

What say you ?


As the PU you are the UIC for the game. I would have told my partner to shut his "pie hole" and get his tuchus back out to the "C" position. I would have told the coaches that there was no interference. At this point I would put the runner on 3B if I thought my partner's screw up kept him from advancing to 3B.

MTD, Sr.

CecilOne Wed Jul 01, 2009 01:02pm

Even though the call was wrong, I lean more toward call it if you see it, especially things like INT, OBS, dead ball;
because my partner can't watch everything.

vcblue Wed Jul 01, 2009 02:53pm

yep time to use 10.3.C and correct it. As the plate umpire you have the right. Let him deal with the UIC later.

IRISHMAFIA Wed Jul 01, 2009 03:14pm

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Originally Posted by vcblue (Post 611850)
yep time to use 10.3.C and correct it. As the plate umpire you have the right. Let him deal with the UIC later.

Sorry, but that doesn't work and 10.3.C is not a crutch for everything you don't like.

Like it or not, this is a judgment call and is covered in the rule book.

Talk to your partner? Absolutely.

Try to get your partner to reverse the call? No, try to force feed him additional information and suggest he overreacted and point out why you believe that.

Change the call yourself? Absolutely, not. Why? Because the rule book specifically states that you cannot.

Again, one of the downfalls of leaving 100% of the judgment up to the umpire, the rules become applied inconsistently.

wadeintothem Wed Jul 01, 2009 03:40pm

Gotta agree with Irish, you cant just turn this.
By rule he CAN make this call.
We know as umpires he SHOULDNT make this call, but definately within his authority to do so.

You sink on this call on the field and certainly should be setting him straight (I would do so at the half inning and post game).. but you cant just overrule INT.

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Jul 01, 2009 04:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 611869)
You sink on this call on the field and certainly should be setting him straight (I would do so at the half inning and post game).. but you cant just overrule INT.

Which brings true meaning to "let's settle this in the parking lot". If a good discussion goes no where, there's always an accident waiting to happen in the parking lot. :D No, just kidding. At least do it away from everyone else. Don't need to embarrass yourself or the partner in front of the throngs.

vcblue Wed Jul 01, 2009 06:10pm

Dam... My partner last week must hate me :)

Irish.. Thanks for the kick in the ***. Of course you are right.

Chess Ref Wed Jul 01, 2009 06:38pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 611686)
I say "thank goodness" that I don't work with idiots like the base umpire in this game.

Without going into all the details of local ASA-college politics....

My partner's a chosen one. He worked college ball last year and I didn't. Though I have gotten that call and it looks like I start college ball this year.:cool: So he does have a little ...ahem...attitude about himself and how high he sits up in the pecking order of local softball umpiring. ;)

He definetly is above explaining himself to a mere HS/ASA umpire such as myself. :rolleyes:

Yea I wasn't happy with the call or he's reaction to my bringing it up ,but truthfully he didn't care that I wasn't happy about it all.

thanks for the replies . Your responses are about what I expected- just need some confirmation of what happened.

NCASAUmp Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chess Ref (Post 611904)
Without going into all the details of local ASA-college politics....

My partner's a chosen one. He worked college ball last year and I didn't. Though I have gotten that call and it looks like I start college ball this year.:cool: So he does have a little ...ahem...attitude about himself and how high he sits up in the pecking order of local softball umpiring. ;)

He definetly is above explaining himself to a mere HS/ASA umpire such as myself. :rolleyes:

Yea I wasn't happy with the call or he's reaction to my bringing it up ,but truthfully he didn't care that I wasn't happy about it all.

thanks for the replies . Your responses are about what I expected- just need some confirmation of what happened.

And it's exactly that attitude that will get him in trouble. Oh well, not your mess to mop up.


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