Timing play??
Hi all, first time poster and I am not am umpire. I hope it is OK to post this question here, if not please direct me to a proper forum.
Here is the scenerio: ASA rules 1PU 1BU 1 out Upon the pitch there is a runner on 2nd base, batter bunts the ball. The batter is out of the box very close to making contact with the ball, at this point no call is made and play continues. Skipping the details in between, the play stops with the runner scoring and the batter/runner stopped at 2nd base. The ball is in the circle with play stopped. The defense appeals that contact was made by the batter/runner and the ball. After a conference between the 2 umpires, it was determined the BU saw the contact between the batter/runner and the ball. The Batter is called out, and the runner is placed back at 2nd base. Is this correct? My understanding is, since no call was made at the time the BU saw the contact of the batter/ball and the play was allowed to continue, this would be a timing play from the time the appeal was made. Since the run scored before the appeal, the run should count. Thanks |
Quote:
|
This shouldn't have required a discussion between the umpires. If the BU saw the BR contact the ball while in fair territory, it should have been an immediate dead ball, BR out for interference and base runner(s) returned to last base touched at the time of the interference.
Since they did confer and agree on interference, they then had to decide where the runner was at the time of the interference, certainly the runner had not crossed home plate yet, much less reached third base. In short, this is not a timing play. |
Thank you for the quick replies!
|
Quote:
|
call it dead when you see it let PU sort it out if the batter was in or out of the box.
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Hmmmmm
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
I took at face value that "The batter is out of the box" from the OP. The runner has about 30' where she can run in fair territory before having to be in the running lane. A RH batter who bunts down the 1B line might be hit in the front of their body, effectively screening the PU from seeing contact in fair territory. If I see this, I'm calling a dead ball and the BR out. The angle from "C" is a little better than the PU, but also a lot further away. Add in moving fielders and a runner breaking for 3B once the ball has hit the ground, and it can be a busy situation. My point is that if the PU doesn't see it to call it, and the BU does see it, it should be called immediately. If the BU did see it and had to wait for a conference, that's something s/he'll need to work on for the next game/opportunity. |
Quote:
Quote:
|
Thanks for all the input everyone
Let me try to explain where the contact was made more precisely. It was a right handed batter, ball went pretty much straight down and a little forward. Took about a knee high bounce and ended about a foot in front of lefty batters box. Batter started running and like jump stopped just outside the batters box seeing she was going to make contact with the ball. From my perspective, which was behind and left, I could not tell if she touched the ball or not. At the time I felt if she did make contact with the ball it would have went forward more than it did. I am sure the PU couldn't see any contact as he was blocked by the catcher and batter/runner. PU did signal fair ball though. I, like most of you, figured if the BU saw the batter/runner contact the ball, it would have been called dead at that point. Play on I thought. The 2 umpires were not going to conference until the defence, brought it up between batters. That is why I thought it may have become a timing play, based on what I thought was an appeal from the defence. But from what I read this could not have been the case. Just to let you know I do not have a player on either team, just happened to be there. Thanks again for the input. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
If my BU does not kill the play on his/her own, even if delayed, in this situation, I will not come together at the coach's request. If we didn't see it, it didn't happen. If BU saw it and didn't kill it, shame on him/her. |
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:04pm. |