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This is a quick recap of my game...
Bottom 7th, visitors up by 1. Home team loads the bases with no outs. I am the plate umpire. Batter swings and hits a swinging bunt pop that lands between the pitcher and first baseman. Even a lunging dive from the first baseman would have come up several feet short of a catch.... First baseman gets to the rolling ball and goes home (out 1)...catcher to third (out two), third baseman to second (out three!). Of course, the entire home team runs on the field yelling at us for not calling the infield fly, saying that it doesn't matter that the pop was not catchable. I love this game!

say to the coach: "In my judgement, it was not a catchable ball by any infielder with ordinary effort."
and then leave the field.

besides, I don't think you can really have an IFF on a bunt.

You are correct and wrong!
IFF on a bunt doesn't exsist; that is where you're right.

However in the OP is written "Batter swings and hits a swinging bunt pop". Here you go wrong, because that is not a bunt! The effect is now that IFF could be called. If both PU and BU agree that the batted ball isn't catchable for any infielder (or outfielder positioned in the infield), it isn't IFF!

Sounds to me you've had fun, Refiator! Well done:)

Not possible. It is either a swing or a bunt, cannot be both. Anyone who tells you different is ignorant of the game and it's rules. Most people just don't know any better as it was picked up from others not in touch with the game.

You know, like Tim McCarver and Joe Morgan or any other talking head that never bothered to research and learn their respective game. :D

you realize "swinging bunt" is a term used to describe a play when the batter takes a full swing but the ball only goes like it was bunted, right?

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seems like you need to pick up a jock at some point in time. Tim McCarver and Joe Morgan know more about baseball than 99.99% of baseball fans, now you might not be a fan of their announcing, but that is a different story.

Yeah, I know what a swinging bunt is.....not possible by definition. Some yahoo using a term does not validate it. Just like the idiots that think the World Series really is a world series. And you probably believe that baseball is a true American sport invented by Abner Doubleday.

I just love it! You REALLY need to go find Alice, the Cheshire will point the way.

Irish and Steve,

I.m.h.o. it sounds to me as if you're talking on different wavelengthes...

Irish is absolutely right as far it's concerning the rulebook!

Steve might be right as he treates the "swinging Bunt"-term just as "The Hot Corner"-term. Both are not in the rulebook, but everybody (except me, who never heard about a swinging bunt before) know what it means.

The tricky part is when people, not knowing the rules, start reading the book and they get mixed up...:rolleyes:

Yeah I've also heard Tim McCarver say "He foul tipped it into the dirt!"

The two you mention may know more about PLAYING ball than 99.99% of fans. Rules knowledge can be quite a different story.

The only difference is that Hot Corner is not refered to in the rule book. Both "swing" and "bunt" are used in reference as to different manners in which the rules are applied in certain scenarios.

Since we are talking rules here . . . . .:cool:

Sounds like about half of the hits I see in recreational slow-pitch games. :D

FWIW, I was thinking the description, "Swinging pop bunt" was mor for descriptive purposes and not technical, definitive purposes.
I read it as a swing that acted resulted in a little bunt-like pop.

Therefore eligible to be called an IFF, but in the judgement of the Umpire NOT an IFF.

Game ove

You have to realize that here in umpire-land, we usually talk about things using actual rulebook definitions, not common "fan" terms.

They may know how to play the game but they are woefully ignorant about the rules of the game that they were paid to play. They prove this on a constant basis.

I think my signature is appropriate here. :D

:D
I stand corrected on my terminology...I figured some coaches...players...fans may be reading!

And while we are at it on terminology,

INFIELD is one word,

so IFF is Infield Fly F

whatever "F" stands for.

Oh, I know, Fiasco. Or, maybeFascination, Fantasy, Fabrication, or ...


:p :p :)

I'm with ya... proper acronym formation skills these days are AWOL! ;)

Are you telling us to get the F out of there?

Here's a Blue channeling his inner-Mike
 

Weplay - "14U ASA COMPETITIVE SOFTBALL - Assume all infield fly conditions apply, if a fielder intentionally lets the ball drop, is there any penalty?" by Julie Softball in Softball

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This was a debate between me and another coach. He claims that that a dropped infield fly, intentional or not, is a dead ball. I know that this is not true or the rule wouldn't say that runners advance at their own risk, of course tagging on a catch. I would like to take the question a step further and find out if a player can intentionally drop the ball without a penalty.


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It is a dead ball out. The play in-field fly ball, was designed for one reason, the saftey of the players. I am an ASA umpire, and I have had team that did drop the ball intentially, it was the last time. I consider it unsportsman like conduct and warned the coach, placed all runners back in the original position, with the batter out. I know have added that into the plate talk and warn the coach's there will be an ejection for that type of conduct.

1. By rule, you cannot have an IDB on an IF.
2. Allowing a ball to drop to the ground is NOT an IDB. A player is even allowed to guide it to the ground with no penalty.
3. An IDB is a dead ball and no runner may advance.
4. An IDB cannot occur until the ball has been caught. IOW, the umpire has to judge the ball caught prior to ruling an IDB.

Anyone who considers this UC (unsportsmanlike is one word, after all :p) should get away from softball and think about officiating in the UFC.

:D :D :D Only if I used that kind of language. ;) :)

If you know what the the OP meant when he said swinging bunt, then why do you have to be a prick and say its not possible....?

This is what I was talking about in the other thread, you come across as a condescending prick, when you say stuff like that.

just out of curiosity, are you intimating that you have proof that doubleday did not invent baseball?

Of course he didn't, Tim McCarver did. ;)

Just out of curiosity, are you intimating that you have proof that Doubleday did?

You mean besides the fact the game was brought from England and even Doubleday claimed little to no knowledge of it?