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Dholloway1962 Mon Jun 01, 2009 09:29pm

Talking Heads know more than Umpires
 
At least the TV crew realized the run rules were lifted for the finals! The PU, Sally Walker, called ball game and umpires walked off field after 6th inning with score 8-0. Had to call them all back onto field to finish game. Not good communication somewhere along the chain of command there!

NCASAUmp Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:40pm

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Originally Posted by Dholloway1962 (Post 606088)
At least the TV crew realized the run rules were lifted for the finals! The PU, Sally Walker, called ball game and umpires walked off field after 6th inning with score 8-0. Had to call them all back onto field to finish game. Not good communication somewhere along the chain of command there!

Holy crap, how embarrassing would THAT be for an umpire on national TV?

IRISHMAFIA Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:30pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 606102)
Holy crap, how embarrassing would THAT be for an umpire on national TV?

If you think it was embarassing for the umpires, how embarassing was it for both teams who already lined up for congratulatory handshakes, the ground grew who already picked up the bases and the fans who were already heading toward the exits?

outathm Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:33pm

I love the look on the ground guy's face when he tried to sneak 1B back onto the field. That should be an Instant Classic.

azbigdawg Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:37pm

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Originally Posted by outathm (Post 606120)
I love the look on the ground guy's face when he tried to sneak 1B back onto the field. That should be an Instant Classic.

I missed the fact that the run rule was suspended....turned away in the 6th... and happened to flip back in the bottom of the 7th wondering wth was goin on....!

MNBlue Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:48pm

Maybe when they told the TV crew about suspending the run rule, they should have said something to the players, coaches AND umpires.

Sounds like someone drop the ball!

And how POed is someone going to be when they have to play an inning beyond what would normally be a completed game and lose someone to an injury?

Why change the rules?

azbigdawg Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:59pm

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Originally Posted by MNBlue (Post 606127)
Maybe when they told the TV crew about suspending the run rule, they should have said something to the players, coaches AND umpires.

Sounds like someone drop the ball!


Stop being silly... the blues dont matter....

MNBlue Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:03am

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Originally Posted by azbigdawg (Post 606132)
Stop being silly... the blues dont matter....

You're right! It's late and I wasn't thinking. :confused:

ronald Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:04am

A boo boo. No feather in the cap for that one. Lost one.:D:D:o

MichaelVA2000 Tue Jun 02, 2009 07:57am

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 606102)
Holy crap, how embarrassing would THAT be for an umpire on national TV?

Can you say: BLUNDER:eek:

3afan Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:34am

no big deal ... someone along the way forgot to fwd an email

everyone knows now

NCASAUmp Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:36am

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Originally Posted by 3afan (Post 606220)
no big deal ... someone along the way forgot to fwd an email

everyone knows now

Guess it was a bad idea to configure the umpires' email to automatically delete anything with the subject that contains "Fwd" huh? ;)

Man, so many geek jokes I could use on this story...

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Jun 02, 2009 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by MNBlue (Post 606127)
And how POed is someone going to be when they have to play an inning beyond what would normally be a completed game and lose someone to an injury?

Why change the rules?

I've worked slow pitch tournament championship games where this was the case, the run rule was suspended or the time limit was suspended just for the championship game. Even worse, I've had situations where the first championship game would have the run rule and time limit but the "if" game didn't. It can become quite confusing for the umpires when during the tournament everything follows the rules from the entire season, and then the championship game is a whole different set of rules from the entire tournament up to that point. This takes great communication on the UIC or Tournament Director's part.

AtlUmpSteve Tue Jun 02, 2009 02:04pm

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Originally Posted by MNBlue (Post 606127)
Why change the rules?

To guarantee ESPN 'x' number of commercials they have sold advertising for .....

SRW Tue Jun 02, 2009 03:59pm

It's also not a "change" of the rules.
Quote:

6.13 Eight-Run Rule
A regulation eight-run-rule game shall be declared by the plate umpire if
one team is ahead by eight or more runs after five or more equal innings.
Complete innings must be played unless the home team reaches the eightrun
lead while at bat. Any hit that results in an eight-run lead by the home
team (after 4-1/2 innings) is treated as a game-ending hit. (See Rule 14.6.)
Whenever the visiting team reaches the limit in the fifth or sixth inning,
the home team must have its opportunity to bat in the bottom half of the
inning.

Note: The eight-run rule may not be set aside by competing teams, league,
conference or tournament rule.

Exception: For NCAA tournament play only, the respective NCAA
divisional softball committees may elect to remove the eight-run rule for
the championship game, provided it is formally declared before the start of
the tournament.

Italics added by me.

MNBlue Tue Jun 02, 2009 04:02pm

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provided it is formally declared before the start of
the tournament.
Exactly! If they were going to declare it, maybe they should have told someone besides Mowins, Kruk, and Mendoza.

SRW Tue Jun 02, 2009 04:04pm

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Originally Posted by MNBlue (Post 606295)
Exactly! If they were going to declare it, maybe they should have told someone besides Mowins, Kruk, and Mendoza.

What, formally declaring it to ESPN doesn't count? ;)

vcblue Tue Jun 02, 2009 04:10pm

It was the same last year.

3SPORT Tue Jun 02, 2009 05:32pm

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Originally Posted by vcblue (Post 606299)
It was the same last year.

And usually addressed at the plate meeting before the start of the game. Not a good look on tv for the NCAA.

I am sure that will be part of umpire instructions next year.

luvthegame Tue Jun 02, 2009 06:18pm

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Originally Posted by vcblue (Post 606299)
It was the same last year.

Never came in to play last year.

tcblue13 Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:03am

ESPN didn't have to play it up like they did either. All the Video of the Umpires returning, the players congratulatiing, the ground crew working and Yuk yuk yuk, it wasn't necessary.
Were they trying to make the officials look bad?

NCASAUmp Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:13am

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Originally Posted by tcblue13 (Post 606416)
ESPN didn't have to play it up like they did either. All the Video of the Umpires returning, the players congratulatiing, the ground crew working and Yuk yuk yuk, it wasn't necessary.
Were they trying to make the officials look bad?

No, they would never do something like that. ESPN is 100% objective. Always.

Dholloway1962 Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:15pm

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Originally Posted by tcblue13 (Post 606416)
ESPN didn't have to play it up like they did either. All the Video of the Umpires returning, the players congratulatiing, the ground crew working and Yuk yuk yuk, it wasn't necessary.
Were they trying to make the officials look bad?

It was pretty obvious to most who look at the game as umpires. You could see the PU ask the catcher for the ball and begin walking off the field. I told my wife that they thought it was over, but figured they would catch it before they left the field. Hey it was interesting so they would show it!! Just like they would in any sport. I thought it was more amusing than anything.


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