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tcblue13 Mon May 25, 2009 12:17am

Dumb Call Commentator
 
Long Foul Fly is missed by F9.
"We'll have to wait and see how that is scored since it went off her glove." How about FOUL BALL.

SC Ump Mon May 25, 2009 07:25am

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Originally Posted by tcblue13 (Post 604443)
How about FOUL BALL.

I believe a foul fly that is misplayed can still be ruled an error for the purposes of determining ERA.

Skahtboi Mon May 25, 2009 09:12am

I don't know how many times I have heard the pitching circle referred to as "the mound" in these SR's, by the talking heads and coaches being interviewed.

Ref Ump Welsch Mon May 25, 2009 01:17pm

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Originally Posted by SC Ump (Post 604459)
I believe a foul fly that is misplayed can still be ruled an error for the purposes of determining ERA.

No, it can't be unless you're thinking slow-pitch. ;)

marvin Mon May 25, 2009 01:47pm

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NCAA 14.2.8 Error: A misplay charged to a defensive player when it is judged by the official scorer to have prolonged the time at bat (causes one or more pitches to be thrown) of an offensive player or contributed to an offensive player being declared safe.
Yes, an error can be charged on a foul ball and should be if a misplay prolongs the at-bat. No, this doesn't concern the umpires. It can effect the pitcher's ERA.

Dholloway1962 Mon May 25, 2009 06:08pm

Not so dumb call commentator I guess!

tcblue13 Tue May 26, 2009 01:10pm

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Originally Posted by Dholloway1962 (Post 604518)
Not so dumb call commentator I guess!

My bad
I guess not

Skahtboi Tue May 26, 2009 01:25pm

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Originally Posted by Dholloway1962 (Post 604518)
Not so dumb call commentator I guess!

Yeah...but who can blame him? So much of the rest of the stuff that comes out of their mouths is! :rolleyes:

tcblue13 Tue May 26, 2009 01:34pm

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Originally Posted by Dholloway1962 (Post 604518)
Not so dumb call commentator I guess!

Is anyone aware of a dropped foul ball ever being scored as an error even though it is permissible according to the rules to do so?

Does OBR address the situation?:o

vcblue Tue May 26, 2009 01:38pm

I love it when the guy commentator on ESPN kept try to get the lady (pitcher) commentator to admit that they go after batters when they crowd the plate. She kept saying, "no we don't do that", and he kept trying to get her to admit that's what they do. He has no business as a fastpitch commentator.

marvin Tue May 26, 2009 02:00pm

Under the OBR the play described in the OP could be scored as an error. It would depend on the scorer's judgment. This happens frequently in professional baseball.

Beyond the Basics of Scoring Fastpitch Foftball is in PDF format and published by ATEC. This is available free and is very good. You can buy it in printed format from nfca.org (National Fastpitch Coaches Association).

Baseball Scorekeeping: A Practical Guide to the Rules
is an excellent guide to scorekeeping and is based on the OBR.

Remember, whatever general guide you use for scoring rules there may be differences from ruleset to ruleset.

Note: I am not associated with the author or publisher of either publication.

SethPDX Tue May 26, 2009 03:32pm

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Originally Posted by tcblue13 (Post 604661)
Is anyone aware of a dropped foul ball ever being scored as an error even though it is permissible according to the rules to do so?

Does OBR address the situation?:o

Funny you should ask. I was up in Seattle watching the Mariners, and the Giants F2 was charged with one on a ball that clearly should have been caught. Even if the official scorer was not going to do it I was going to mark it down on my own scorecard.

It's somewhere in OBR 10 (the rule umpires besides me don't care about ;)).

No wild storms in Seattle over the weekend, just an offense that Mariner fans find, um, prettty offensive. :p

IRISHMAFIA Tue May 26, 2009 04:18pm

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Originally Posted by vcblue (Post 604663)
I love it when the guy commentator on ESPN kept try to get the lady (pitcher) commentator to admit that they go after batters when they crowd the plate. She kept saying, "no we don't do that", and he kept trying to get her to admit that's what they do. He has no business as a fastpitch commentator.

Another one of those cases where someone needed to just tell this guy to "Shut the **** up!" He was annoying as hell! Where is John Kruk?

Steve M Tue May 26, 2009 05:32pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 604714)
Another one of those cases where someone needed to just tell this guy to "Shut the **** up!" He was annoying as hell! Where is John Kruk?

I heard they wanted to get Kruk, but he got surprised and put his hands to his head and they got stuck - so he couldn't answer the call.:D

Ref Ump Welsch Wed May 27, 2009 10:11am

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Originally Posted by vcblue (Post 604663)
I love it when the guy commentator on ESPN kept try to get the lady (pitcher) commentator to admit that they go after batters when they crowd the plate. She kept saying, "no we don't do that", and he kept trying to get her to admit that's what they do. He has no business as a fastpitch commentator.

If ESPN ever gets back to showing those major slow-pitch games like they did a few years ago, I certainly hope this guy isn't a commentator for it. I'd like to hear him ask someone the same question in slow-pitch. :rolleyes:


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