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rwest Thu May 07, 2009 11:53am
You do that in FED your day is done!
 
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Originally Posted by mashie59 (Post 600339)
My very frank opinion on this is that if the first baseman .... in a lot of cases is obstructing the path of the runner without yet having the ball ... then I tell my player to speed up and barrel right through that player. In a game we had the other night .... the first baseman got the feathers knocked out of him by my player. I explicitly instructed him to run right through this first baseman if he was in his way without the ball. I talked with the umpire between innings and he agreed.
In FED if there is malicious contact, that player is done for the day.

Steve M Thu May 07, 2009 11:59am
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Originally Posted by mashie59 (Post 600339)
My very frank opinion on this is that if the first baseman .... in a lot of cases is obstructing the path of the runner without yet having the ball ... then I tell my player to speed up and barrel right through that player. In a game we had the other night .... the first baseman got the feathers knocked out of him by my player. I explicitly instructed him to run right through this first baseman if he was in his way without the ball. I talked with the umpire between innings and he agreed.
I know that when I played, we policed ourselves, for the most part. I know full well what would have occurred when your football playing runner next came to bat. And we were "smart" enough not to talk about it. But that was men's fastpitch some years ago. I suspect you're a fool, Mashie. And so is the umpire who agreed with you, if he actually did. The obstruction should have been called and the intentional running into a defender should have been dealt with.

IRISHMAFIA Thu May 07, 2009 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by mashie59 (Post 600339)
My very frank opinion on this is that if the first baseman .... in a lot of cases is obstructing the path of the runner without yet having the ball ... then I tell my player to speed up and barrel right through that player. In a game we had the other night .... the first baseman got the feathers knocked out of him by my player. I explicitly instructed him to run right through this first baseman if he was in his way without the ball. I talked with the umpire between innings and he agreed.
Then you and your player(s) are idiots. You are also criminals. You and your players would be ejected and if I thought it was intentional, I would volunteer my time to be a witness for the first baseman at the civil trial where he takes away your house.

Other than that it is just a stupid play. Of course, this is just a very frank opinion.

NCASAUmp Thu May 07, 2009 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by mashie59 (Post 600339)
My very frank opinion on this is that if the first baseman .... in a lot of cases is obstructing the path of the runner without yet having the ball ... then I tell my player to speed up and barrel right through that player. In a game we had the other night .... the first baseman got the feathers knocked out of him by my player. I explicitly instructed him to run right through this first baseman if he was in his way without the ball. I talked with the umpire between innings and he agreed.
And my very frank is that if you're the coach, I'm tossing both the runner and you from the game.

NCASAUmp Thu May 07, 2009 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 600347)
Then you and your player(s) are idiots. You are also criminals. You and your players would be ejected and if I thought it was intentional, I would volunteer my time to be a witness for the first baseman at the civil trial where he takes away your house.

Other than that it is just a stupid play. Of course, this is just a very frank opinion.
Damn, you beat me to it.

SethPDX Thu May 07, 2009 05:01pm
:rolleyes:
We tell off one jack@zz, we get another. Life goes on...

CecilOne Fri May 08, 2009 11:02am
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Originally Posted by mashie59 (Post 600339)
My very frank opinion on this is that if the first baseman .... in a lot of cases is obstructing the path of the runner without yet having the ball ... then I tell my player to speed up and barrel right through that player. In a game we had the other night .... the first baseman got the feathers knocked out of him by my player. I explicitly instructed him to run right through this first baseman if he was in his way without the ball. I talked with the umpire between innings and he agreed.
That being the only reason which I have ever ejected a FP player.

No real umpire would ever agree.

Some of the other responses were not harsh enough.

Even the instruction without the player obeying would get the coach ejected. :mad:

CajunNewBlue Fri May 08, 2009 11:23am
Dont know about the "they are criminals" statement. libel yes, criminals?? probably not in that instance.
unless its a crime to be a dumb@ss.... :D

NCASAUmp Fri May 08, 2009 11:26am
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Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue (Post 600645)
Dont know about the "they are criminals" statement. libel yes, criminals?? probably not in that instance.
unless its a crime to be a dumb@ss.... :D
Assault?

IRISHMAFIA Fri May 08, 2009 11:39am
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 600646)
Assault?
And battery!

I walk up to you on the street and intentionally knock you to the ground, I'm guilty of a crime. If you die, manslaughter is definitely in the cards, even if unintentional.

Wait a minute, you are in LA. Nevermind, in LA, everything goes!:D

NCASAUmp Fri May 08, 2009 11:42am
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 600649)
And battery!

I walk up to you on the street and intentionally knock you to the ground, I'm guilty of a crime. If you die, manslaughter is definitely in the cards, even if unintentional.

Wait a minute, you are in LA. Nevermind, in LA, everything goes!:D
No, that's Texas. One state over, Mike. :)

Skahtboi Fri May 08, 2009 11:51am
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 600650)
No, that's Texas. One state over, Mike. :)

Watch it, bub!

NCASAUmp Fri May 08, 2009 11:54am
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Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 600651)
Watch it, bub!
Oh good morning, Scott! Lovely of you to drop in... :)

IRISHMAFIA Fri May 08, 2009 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 600650)
No, that's Texas. One state over, Mike. :)
But in LA, they just dump your a$$ in the bayou and let the gators take care of the evidence.

Welpe Fri May 08, 2009 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 600652)
Oh good morning, Scott! Lovely of you to drop in... :)
Hey isn't "he needed killin'" still a valid defense of a homicide charge in NC? :D


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