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THREE Fri Apr 24, 2009 09:28am

Is there a case book play......
 
When the batter hits the ball and drops the bat and the ball rolls into the bat (bat is stationary) in fair territory...is this play and the results in a case book (from any year). I need in black/white to show fellow umpire. Thanks

CajunNewBlue Fri Apr 24, 2009 09:36am

Tell them I said its nothing and play on.... that should suffice! :p

IRISHMAFIA Fri Apr 24, 2009 09:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by THREE (Post 597596)
When the batter hits the ball and drops the bat and the ball rolls into the bat (bat is stationary) in fair territory...is this play and the results in a case book (from any year). I need in black/white to show fellow umpire. Thanks

Speaking ASA

Forget a case play, it is in the rule book

7.6.K.Exception.2

RS #24B

CajunNewBlue Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:00am

does ASA put out a case play book?

wadeintothem Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:01am

The rule is pretty clear IMO, and in a perfect shade of black and white - so I doubt the case play below will help as it is likely a comprehension issue.

Quote:

When the batter drops the bat and the ball rolls against the bat in fair
territory, and, in the umpire’s judgment, there was no intent to interfere
with the ball.
EFFECT: The ball is live.
From the 2008 case book:

PLAY 7.6-7
B1 hits a ball toward F1, hitting the pitcher’s plate and rebounding back toward the bat that was dropped in fair territory. The ball hits the bat and then rolls untouched into foul territory where it settles.
RULING: B1 is not out for hitting a ball a second time. After hitting the bat the ball is fair until it rolls into foul territory. If it comes to rest in foul territory before anyone touches it, it is a foul ball. (1-FAIR BALL; 7-6K)

Ref Ump Welsch Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:35am

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 597605)
From the 2008 case book:

PLAY 7.6-7
B1 hits a ball toward F1, hitting the pitcher’s plate and rebounding back toward the bat that was dropped in fair territory. The ball hits the bat and then rolls untouched into foul territory where it settles.
RULING: B1 is not out for hitting a ball a second time. After hitting the bat the ball is fair until it rolls into foul territory. If it comes to rest in foul territory before anyone touches it, it is a foul ball. (1-FAIR BALL; 7-6K)

And one is more likely to be hit by lightning than to have witnessed such situation in a game. ;) :D

Dakota Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 597605)
The rule is pretty clear IMO, and in a perfect shade of black and white - so I doubt the case play below will help as it is likely a comprehension issue.



From the 2008 case book:

PLAY 7.6-7
B1 hits a ball toward F1, hitting the pitcher’s plate and rebounding back toward the bat that was dropped in fair territory. The ball hits the bat and then rolls untouched into foul territory where it settles.
RULING: B1 is not out for hitting a ball a second time. After hitting the bat the ball is fair until it rolls into foul territory. If it comes to rest in foul territory before anyone touches it, it is a foul ball. (1-FAIR BALL; 7-6K)

That case play does not apply. It is only a live ball in this situation if it does, in fact, rebound off the pitcher's plate.

Dakota Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:37am

... ;););););)

Dakota Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue (Post 597604)
does ASA put out a case play book?

Yes.

Chess Ref Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 597620)
Yes.

Do you know where one can buy a hard copy of it ? A book copy , that thing with pages and stuff.

Dakota Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chess Ref (Post 597638)
Do you know where one can buy a hard copy of it ? A book copy , that thing with pages and stuff.

I haven't had a printed copy for several years. The only copy I can find for sale is on the clinic guide cd ($15).

IRISHMAFIA Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chess Ref (Post 597638)
Do you know where one can buy a hard copy of it ? A book copy , that thing with pages and stuff.

No, it is on the CD only

IRISHMAFIA Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 597619)
... ;););););)

Glad you added these. Otherwise I might think you were a

http://www.msn101.com/content/emotic...oll_TUYLJ6.gif

Ref Ump Welsch Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 597646)
Glad you added these. Otherwise I might think you were a

http://www.msn101.com/content/emotic...oll_TUYLJ6.gif

Wow, I didn't know they had a emoticon of John Travolta from "Saturday Night Fever"!!! ;) :D

MichaelVA2000 Fri Apr 24, 2009 01:49pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 597646)
Glad you added these. Otherwise I might think you were a

http://www.msn101.com/content/emotic...oll_TUYLJ6.gif

I had a partner last night who's safe call looked just like that!!!:D

CajunNewBlue Fri Apr 24, 2009 02:49pm

rofl

Ref Ump Welsch Fri Apr 24, 2009 03:08pm

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Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000 (Post 597672)
I had a partner last night who's safe call looked just like that!!!:D

With the hair and all???? Wait, wait, that's just TMI!!! :D

MichaelVA2000 Fri Apr 24, 2009 08:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 597679)
With the hair and all???? Wait, wait, that's just TMI!!! :D

Yep, hair and all down to the point that he also had about three days of beard growth. It was comical because he had the dish. During the three or four times he actually removed his mask during the game, his hat came flying off and spring loaded hair went everywhere.:eek:

He also signaled the number of outs between batter doing the same dance. That game was one and a half hours of pure adventure.;)

Ref Ump Welsch Mon Apr 27, 2009 07:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000 (Post 597716)
Yep, hair and all down to the point that he also had about three days of beard growth. It was comical because he had the dish. During the three or four times he actually removed his mask during the game, his hat came flying off and spring loaded hair went everywhere.:eek:

He also signaled the number of outs between batter doing the same dance. That game was one and a half hours of pure adventure.;)

Argh...I knew Mike would still spill the beans despite my TMI remark. But, from a comic's standpoint, I wish I was watching your game, in a lawn chair, with a good ol' bag of popcorn. Everyone probably would have found me on the ground at the end of the game, laughing so hysterically the padded paddy wagon would have been needed. :D


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