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ukumpire Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:45pm

Intentional Walk ~ Slowpitch
 
This is an ISF Rule, not sure if it applies to ASA?

(SP ONLY) The ball is dead and runners may not advance unless forced.
3. If the pitcher desires to walk a batter intentionally he may do so by notifying the plate umpire who shall award the batter first base.
If two batters are to be walked intentionally the second intentional walk may
not be administered until the first batter reaches first base.


If it does, can someone assist me with:
What award (if any) happens if the 2nd batter (Female) does walk before the the 1st Batter reaches 1st the Base?

IHSAref Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:49pm

I would think that you as the umpire would instruct the batter not to start walking until the other batter has reached 1st base.

IRISHMAFIA Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by ukumpire (Post 592333)
This is an ISF Rule, not sure if it applies to ASA?

(SP ONLY) The ball is dead and runners may not advance unless forced.
3. If the pitcher desires to walk a batter intentionally he may do so by notifying the plate umpire who shall award the batter first base.
If two batters are to be walked intentionally the second intentional walk may
not be administered until the first batter reaches first base.

If it does, can someone assist me with:
What award (if any) happens if the 2nd batter (Female) does walk before the the 1st Batter reaches 1st the Base?

To start, it really doesn't matter as long as the female does not reach 1B prior to the male.

You cited the answer to prevent this from happening. Same is if two batters are to be walked. As the PU, you do not recognized the female's option (when available) to take the walk until the male has reached 1B. If the female starts off before you recognize it, attempt to stop her. A simple "hang on" or "not yet" should delay the female long enough to allow the male to achieve 1B.

rwest Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:26pm

There's no penalty for passing the male batter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 592338)
To start, it really doesn't matter as long as the female does not reach 1B prior to the male.

You cited the answer to prevent this from happening. Same is if two batters are to be walked. As the PU, you do not recognized the female's option (when available) to take the walk until the male has reached 1B. If the female starts off before you recognize it, attempt to stop her. A simple "hang on" or "not yet" should delay the female long enough to allow the male to achieve 1B.

Although I agree the umpire should not grant the inentional walk to the next batter until the previous batter reaches 1st or 2nd in this case, there is no penalty.

Per rule 8.1.C.4 Effect...

Should the female batter-runner pass a male batter-runner when choosing to walk, no out shall be declared during this dead ball period. A male batter-runner advancing to second base without touching first base shall be called out if properly appealed.

DeputyUICHousto Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:32pm

True, but...
 
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Originally Posted by rwest (Post 592453)
Although I agree the umpire should not grant the inentional walk to the next batter until the previous batter reaches 1st or 2nd in this case, there is no penalty.

Per rule 8.1.C.4 Effect...

Should the female batter-runner pass a male batter-runner when choosing to walk, no out shall be declared during this dead ball period. A male batter-runner advancing to second base without touching first base shall be called out if properly appealed.

if you allow the 2nd (female batter) to walk and the male batter who walked in front of her does not touch 1st base but goes directly to 2nd then the defense looses their right to appeal the missed base.

ukumpire Mon Mar 30, 2009 03:43am

Continued
 
True to both replies so far, and in full agreement to all.
I shall now just 'verbally' recall the female batter/walker back to the on-deck until the male batter has reached 2nd base.
As once he reaches 2nd base the appeal is on, and obviously he cannot now return to 1st to touch it, so we have an Out!

rwest Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:20pm

Not True
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DeputyUICHousto (Post 592471)
if you allow the 2nd (female batter) to walk and the male batter who walked in front of her does not touch 1st base but goes directly to 2nd then the defense looses their right to appeal the missed base.

The next line below what I posted says....

"A male batter-runner advancing to second base without touching first base shall be call out if properly appealed."

So the male batter still has to touch 1st, even if the female batter has past him.

ukumpire Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:31pm

Not Rue Query!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rwest (Post 592582)
The next line below what I posted says....

"A male batter-runner advancing to second base without touching first base shall be call out if properly appealed."

So the male batter still has to touch 1st, even if the female batter has past him.

Sure, but in ISF, it states that once the female batter has reached the 1st base then no appeal is then an option.
Rule: The batter is awarded one base without liability to be put out, provided he advances to and touches first base. If the
umpire mistakenly allows two walks at one time and the first batter fails to touch first base, no appeal will be
honoured on the first batter.


But thank you all for your input. I understand what to do should this happen again in the next 23 years!!

rwest Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:46pm

I was speaking ASA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ukumpire (Post 592585)
Sure, but in ISF, it states that once the female batter has reached the 1st base then no appeal is then an option.
Rule: The batter is awarded one base without liability to be put out, provided he advances to and touches first base. If the
umpire mistakenly allows two walks at one time and the first batter fails to touch first base, no appeal will be
honoured on the first batter.


But thank you all for your input. I understand what to do should this happen again in the next 23 years!!

I was using the ASA rules when responding to your question. I thought you wanted to know if it applied to ASA or not.

Dutch Alex Mon Mar 30, 2009 01:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukumpire (Post 592585)
... I understand what to do should this happen again in the next 23 years!!


So finally you will give up slow-pitch and concentrate only on fast-pitch???;)


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