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SC Ump Sun Mar 15, 2009 09:03pm

In fastpitch, I quietly say, loud enough that only the catcher can hear me, "Catcher, that was a little high", "a little low", "just missed inside", or whatever.

The catcher usually yells my exact verbiage to the coach, "That just missed inside." It's like the coach and fans all think that's the catcher opinion, too.

I think that's a suggestion I got from here on this board.

BretMan Mon Mar 16, 2009 05:48am

Went to my local high school baseball clinic last weekend and one of the instructors talked about "chirping". He had a slightly different take on this- one that I like and may try.

(I knew if I went to enough baseball clinics that, eventually, I'd pick up something useful for softball! But they sure weren't too thrilled with my "heel/toe" plate stance, good pelvic alignment to the outside corner, or following pitches by keeping my nose on the ball. Note to self: When in Rome...)

The instructor's take on the question, "Where was that pitch?", was that there were only four acceptable answers- either "up", "down", "in" or "out".

By keeping the reply one-word, you explain your reasoning behind the call in a quick and efficient manner. Really, what more information does the catcher need to know? Your call of ball or strike makes it obvious whether or not you thought the pitch was in or out of the strike zone.

The one-word answer shows that you are willing to answer the catcher's question, yet unwilling to entertain lengthy discussion about pitch location. You are being cooperative and providing the requested information, while at the same time making it known that this isn't a subject on which we're going to dwell.

By adding commentary beyond "up, down, in, out", such as, "Just a little bit off the plate", it could make you look less-sure of your call, or that you're guessing on the borderline pitches. It can also pigeonhole you on future calls. If you explained that one pitch was, "Just a little outside", and another pitch comes in "just a little" closer to the plate, the catcher is going to expect a strike, even if your judgment is that it's still a little off the plate.

That last point jibes with the explanation of why we do not routinely announce pitch locations as part of our typical "ball" calls (for example, we are supposed to say, "Ball", not, "Ball, outside"). Don't give the person asking, "Where was that pitch", any possible ammunition to pick away at your reasoning or judgment on subsequent pitches.

I know that over the years I've answered the question, "Where was that pitch", in any number of ways, including most that have been offered in this thread. I've said, "Just a little bit high", "Down below the knee", "Just off the corner", or, "Out of the strike zone". I think I'll try the one-word approach and see how that works in a game situation.

wadeintothem Mon Mar 16, 2009 07:32am

Thats a good answer and reasoning.

CecilOne Mon Mar 16, 2009 08:17am

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 588289)
LOL, I like that one. Consider it stolen.

By me, as well (i.e., not original) :)

stevegarbs Mon Mar 16, 2009 01:01pm

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Originally Posted by first2third (Post 588231)
first off to answer the question, I tell the catcher inside or outside. never say high or low the coach can see that and if you say high or low they will keep chirping. If chirping gets to much just ask the coach "you're not questioning the strike zone are you? If you are I we both know I will have to ask you to leave."

A few years back a coach asked me, "How do you know the pitch is a strike?" I said, "That's easy my right arm goes up." Coach and partner both chuckled and that was the last comment I heard all day.

Consistency and timing on balls and strikes usually avoids this problem unless you are dealing with inexperienced coaches.

Thanks for this answer. As a football official and softball coach, I feel like I am operating in two different worlds. As a coach I know that I only ask this question when I can't tell if the pitch was in or out- as you say I can usually see if it is up or down. Thanks for being willing to provide this information.

I do understand from other's posts that this is usually a thinly-veiled attempt to question calls. But please try to consider that not every coach is just a coach, and some do have the utmost respect for our partners who wear blue/red/grey instead of B&W stripes!

SRW Mon Mar 16, 2009 01:04pm

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Originally Posted by azbigdawg (Post 588427)
&*%@(^#%*@ IDIOT $Y(^^#%@% mat is the WORST thing to ever happen to slow pitch.....

Now tell us how you really feel.


;)

AtlUmpSteve Mon Mar 16, 2009 02:56pm

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Originally Posted by SRW (Post 588777)
Now tell us how you really feel.


;)

Darryl doesn't normally speak out until he's had a few beverages.

For example, after drinking just a few at Chisholms, he confided in me (and Mike, too) that he was a black man. We were so astonished, we stopped several people that walked by to ask them if they knew that.

azbigdawg Mon Mar 16, 2009 09:00pm

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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 588798)
Darryl doesn't normally speak out until he's had a few beverages.

For example, after drinking just a few at Chisholms, he confided in me (and Mike, too) that he was a black man. We were so astonished, we stopped several people that walked by to ask them if they knew that.



LIES!!!!!!!! ALL LIESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

IRISHMAFIA Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:42pm

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Originally Posted by azbigdawg (Post 588862)
LIES!!!!!!!! ALL LIESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

Which part? :D

azbigdawg Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:23pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 588883)
Which part? :D

The "just a few" part... slanderous accusations.....:mad:

CecilOne Tue Mar 17, 2009 09:14am

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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 588798)
Darryl doesn't normally speak out until he's had a few beverages.

For example, after drinking just a few at Chisholms, he confided in me (and Mike, too) that he was a black man. We were so astonished, we stopped several people that walked by to ask them if they knew that.

Were you previously uncertain of gender? :p :D


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