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Skahtboi Tue Nov 18, 2008 03:46pm

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Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 551501)
I can easily work six game in an all day tournament so long as I never have more than 3 in a row without a break.

I also don't see how overloading umpires saves money, unless the tournament is paying for travel, etc. There are the same number of umpires for each game...

Are you telling me that you are as fresh and alert/aware at your sixth game?? Of course not. The simple fatigue that sets in is enough to cause more mistakes to be made, IMO. The ideal tournament schedule for me would be to work 3 games on Saturday and 3 on Sunday. I know it isn't going to happen, but I wish it would.

NCASAUmp Tue Nov 18, 2008 03:55pm

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Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 551535)
Are you telling me that you are as fresh and alert/aware at your sixth game?? Of course not. The simple fatigue that sets in is enough to cause more mistakes to be made, IMO. The ideal tournament schedule for me would be to work 3 games on Saturday and 3 on Sunday. I know it isn't going to happen, but I wish it would.

If I'm going to drive out to a tournament, spend all day from 7 or 8 AM until 8 or 9 PM at the field, I'd want more than just 3 games. Otherwise, I can just stay home and call 3 games in a row and be done in 3 hours.

Dakota Tue Nov 18, 2008 04:51pm

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Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 551535)
Are you telling me that you are as fresh and alert/aware at your sixth game?? Of course not.

I agree, of course not. You've asked a "hobson's question" (so to speak). Unless you are standing still as a stump, you are not as fresh in the second inning as you were in the first. "Simple fatigue" is not enough to cause mistakes. Significant fatigue will, but people have differing levels of stamina.

I have definitely been overworked at tournaments, but usually it is the result of not enough breaks rather than number of games in total.

For a local tournament, I would consider only 3 games spread out over a day as wasting my time.

CecilOne Tue Nov 18, 2008 05:37pm

How about:
05/03/08 10:30 AM
05/03/08 12:00 PM
05/03/08 1:30 PM
05/03/08 3:00 PM
05/03/08 4:30 PM
05/04/08 9:00 AM
05/04/08 12:20 PM
05/04/08 2:00 PM
05/04/08 3:40 PM
all 12&U

Dholloway1962 Tue Nov 18, 2008 08:05pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 551528)
Housing and food.

I still don't see the savings with the housing and food for a normal local tourney. Still same amount of games and same amount of umpires. No cost difference between spreading it out or "bunching up" games on two umpires.

Myself, I prefer a 2 games on and 1 game off spreadout from start of day to end of day.

Steve M Tue Nov 18, 2008 09:23pm

I've gotten to the point where I prefer 4 games/day, working 1-on & 1-off.
This keeps me fresh for every game and able to give each game the full intensity & effort it deserves.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Nov 18, 2008 09:33pm

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Originally Posted by Dholloway1962 (Post 551561)
I still don't see the savings with the housing and food for a normal local tourney. Still same amount of games and same amount of umpires. No cost difference between spreading it out or "bunching up" games on two umpires.

Myself, I prefer a 2 games on and 1 game off spreadout from start of day to end of day.

Obviously referring to a tournament that wants the better umpires or are required by code to use so many outside umpires. For every two local umpires used, the tournament saves $75-$100 dollars a day in housing two outside umpires.

Dholloway1962 Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:05am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 551571)
Obviously referring to a tournament that wants the better umpires or are required by code to use so many outside umpires. For every two local umpires used, the tournament saves $75-$100 dollars a day in housing two outside umpires.


Gotcha!

azbigdawg Wed Nov 19, 2008 03:10am

(Dear Lord...THANK YOU for the fact that Andy was out of town this weekend and not in the great city of Phoenix...It was ONE less call that I had to answer....

Sincerely,
Your slave....)

Andy Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:02am

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Originally Posted by azbigdawg (Post 551607)
(Dear Lord...THANK YOU for the fact that Andy was out of town this weekend and not in the great city of Phoenix...It was ONE less call that I had to answer....

Sincerely,
Your slave....)

Yeah....I was Alexander's headache last weekend.......:cool:

However, I know that you did have to answer a call about the other Phoenix umpire you sent......;)

Skahtboi Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:45am

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Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 551542)
I agree, of course not. You've asked a "hobson's question" (so to speak).

:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 551542)
Unless you are standing still as a stump, you are not as fresh in the second inning as you were in the first. "Simple fatigue" is not enough to cause mistakes. Significant fatigue will, but people have differing levels of stamina.

I have definitely been overworked at tournaments, but usually it is the result of not enough breaks rather than number of games in total.

For a local tournament, I would consider only 3 games spread out over a day as wasting my time.

I am not talking about spread out over a day. As I stated earlier I am an advocate of working crews in two shifts. However, as I also stated, with the lack of officials in most areas I know that this is pretty much a pipe dream.

IRISHMAFIA Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:20am

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 551636)
Yeah....I was Alexander's headache last weekend.......:cool:

However, I know that you did have to answer a call about the other Phoenix umpire you sent......;)


Andy, he's pulling your leg. Damn near every time I saw Darrell, he had a phone to his ear.

AtlUmpSteve Wed Nov 19, 2008 03:16pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 551677)
Andy, he's pulling your leg. Damn near every time I saw Darrell, he had a phone to his ear.

Or a beverage in his hand :eek::D.

He seemed very concerned that I was doing my share to eliminate bad beer from general availability.

IRISHMAFIA Wed Nov 19, 2008 03:40pm

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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 551763)
Or a beverage in his hand :eek::D.

He seemed very concerned that I was doing my share to eliminate bad beer from general availability.


You know what? Now that you mention it, there were even times when he had the phone in his ear and a beer in each hand!! :eek:

azbigdawg Wed Nov 19, 2008 06:34pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 551768)
You know what? Now that you mention it, there were even times when he had the phone in his ear and a beer in each hand!! :eek:


If you had gotten the phone calls I was, you would have also...

and Steve....

Thats just BAD beer...

Im gonna edumacate you in feb.....


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