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2009 ASA Rule Changes Approved
A conference will not be charged when the pitcher is removed
A bat must have an ASA Certification stamp on it. A bat cannot have any dents Approved two-piece bats allowed Optic yellow ball mandatory starting 2010 Metal spikes worn when prohibited will result in an ejection if the player refuses to remove them No penalty for an unreported substitute (as of now) HR limits established for women's SP HR limits changed in men's SP (B-6, C-4, D-2, E-0) (Passed by General Council vote) Yes, there is now an E level Adult FP run ahead for 5 innings is now 7. Men's A run ahead rule is now 20 after 4 & 15 after 5 Men's 45+ FP to use tie breaker 20 second violation is now just a ball on the batter, not IP Gorilla Gold now legal for FP All SP batters now start with a 1-1 count (Passed by General Council vote) 16" ball remains live after a walk Masters SP no longer need to run out HR A fair batted ball which hits the fence, then the fielder and then goes out of play is a GRD Any defensive player may make a live ball appeal All FP and ADA players can use courtesy runner. ADA CR can be any player. Men's FP catcher can use courtesy runner |
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Will ASA publish a text list of all non-approved bats with stamps, similar to the one that is all-encompassing on the website?
This will make the list a LOT shorter! |
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BTW, the 1-1 count change excludes the Masters and Seniors game.
And the rule does not specify "Gorilla Gold", but references it as an example of an "approved drying agent". |
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What they don't have is a list of bats with stamps that are unapproved. That would be an even MORE helpful list with the requirement for a stamp. Bat check becomes:
1) Bat have a stamp? No - OUT. 2) Yes, is bat one of the 2 (or 10, but very short list) unapproved bats with a stamp? Yes - OUT 3) No - Allowed |
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http://www.asasoftball.com/about/bui..._pics_2000.asp |
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This adds the bold wording: "If properly appealed by any defensive player during a live ball, the runner is out." Since a proper live ball appeal will always include a defensive player, I'm reading this as adding the word "any" for some reason. Maybe Steve or Darrell had the opportunity to sit in on a meeting where this was explained. |
Yeah, you would think it is that obvious, that a live ball appeal must be made by a defensive player, with the ball, touching a player or missed base, who verbalizes or otherwise indicates the intent to appeal. But the rule 8-7 F-I Effect 2 only says properly appealed, and defensive team, and I can only assume that some ucking fidiot (Sorry, John , but it fits) anally read that one section without any context and allowed a coach or someone else to verbalize what the appeal was.
This was Bernie's, and people generally accepted his position that it was unclear as written. |
I am going to disagree with Mike's statement that unreported subs will have no penalty. All of the penalties and effects in Rule 4-6.C (1-9) described, remain, EXCEPT that there unreported sub is now NOT disqualified as a secondary effect.
So, if appealed after hitting, but before a following pitch or play, treat as a reported sub that has (effectively) now batted out of order. If appealed after making a play defensively, the offense has the option of the result of the play or nullifying the play (a do-over assuming the prior count). As it used to be. |
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Look at the effect for subpara 4, 5 & 6. If s/he is not DQ'd, there is no longer a need to replace her/him on a base in other situations? I cannot remember which committee (Slow Pitch rules, maybe) where someone was asked "What is the penalty?" when noted that DQ was too severe a penalty. The response was to the effect that they believed it would be an out. I'm curious as to how close the author looked at the effects before proposing the changes. |
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The ADA exception will apply to maybe 5 people in the country; but, it does. If an ADA certified individual (must have card, etc) bats and gets on base, and his disability affects running, they may have a courtesy runner similar to the Seniors, meaning any available player or sub. This isn't something worth getting worked up over; the odds of you needing to apply this in your lifetime are pretty limited. |
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Can they CR for F5 in JO championship play next year? |
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They're going to need a whole separate book next year - just to list and explain all the new rules! :eek:
Hooray for Optic Yellow! |
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For the standard league or tournament game you will call, there has been no change in the JO courtesy runner rule. Only if a team presents a lineup with an ADA certified player do you need to change anything. For all adult fastpitch, the same courtesy runners as JO. For Masters and Senior slowpitch, the same rule they have had. |
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An ADA can use it regardless of position. What I don't like is that as soon as this passed, so did the exclusion of the Men's FP pitcher from the rule. |
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All FP divisions now use Courtesy Runners. Any ADA player may have a Courtesy Runner, who can be any player in the lineup. I read this, apparently like many others, to mean CR's for any position. |
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If you check the Courtesy Runner rule, it clearly states that this is for pitcher and catcher only, but just JO. The rule change makes it all of FP. |
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You know, that brings up an interesting question... What's going to happen to the "Approved Bats" list? Worth made a bat (SSEST, if I remember correctly) that's on the approved list, but not all of them have stamps. Some were simply manufactured prior to 2000. |
<b>No penalty for an unreported substitute (as of now)</b>
I never understood why they changed this in the first place. I never liked that a legal sub coming in would get penalized. JMHO Joel |
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or All FP levels have the CR rule like JO, except mens' pitchers. |
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I don't believe the intent of the body was to allow CR for pitcher and catcher for all, and then immediately limit that. Both were approved by Consent Agenda at the Council without discussion, as each were considered a good change. It will interesting to see how the NUS decides to address the discrepancy. |
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I don't see that happening. ASA has not cared much for the men's game for years, and there are a couple of other organizations that do - they even cater to the men's game. ASA shot themselves in the foot the year that they required both feet on the rubber - for men. I know that it was to match the international rule, but it wasn't the game the players wanted. Even though that was only a 1-season/year foul-up, I think you'll find those other organizations made a big gain then. |
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Some good discussions in the lobby last night. Already talk of adding a courtesy foul to the SP rule, but we already talked about that. You are probably right about the men's FP pitcher, but you never know about these things. The one thing for certain is that it does not apply to all players, just those presently designated in the present JO rule. I missed the rules portion of the Commissioners' Meeting, but from what I understand, KR addressed a handful of rules which will need to be massaged prior to implementation. Apparently, there were some serious misunderstandings with a code change or two that will need to be addressed and clarified. Leah O'Brien Amico stopped by for a while. Apparently, she is going to cover the BOD meeting for one of the player reps (maybe Stacey). ISF report revealed that when a completed survey of all sports (softball finished in something like the top 40% of all sports in any category), it is believed that the IOC members never read this report since the results were too good to ignore. Those in the know are cautiously optimistic as to the chances of getting back into the Olympics. |
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Generally speaking now: If SP is going to a 3-2 count (I'm not sure if there is a difference between using a 3-2 or starting at 1-1 :rolleyes:), I figure we better be prepared for that before our first game. If I do slow pitch stats again for my friends, I'm willing to bet there will be people surprised about the count change. :D |
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And no, there's no difference between starting with a 1-1 count and having a maximum 3-2 count. |
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Efforts in previous years had people voting against it because it changed the fundamental definitions of the game, that you can't walk on 3 balls or strike out with 2 strikes. It was even offered to the rule author as a friendly amendment that it could pass if he would just change the terminology, which he chose to not accept. So, it was voted down every prior year. This method (you start with one ball and one strike count) eliminates that concern; 4 balls is a walk, 3 strikes is an out, just like hot dogs and apple pie. Never mind how many pitches were thrown to get to that count, all's right with the count!! |
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They eliminated completely the "catcher only" version, and have published: Rule 8 Section 10: (All Fast Pitch) Comment: All Fast Pitch will follow the Courtesy runner rule previously used only by the Junior Olympic Classification of Girls and Boys. |
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sorry but I don't get the point of this part of your post. Might be because I am not a native speaker! Can you explain what's about the report and the use or non-use of it? THX Raoul |
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The ISF & ASA believe that if the IOC members actually read this report (assuming it was made available to them by the Chair), there would not have been a question and softball would have easily retained it's position in the games. This is my perception of second hand information provided at the commissioner's meeting of the ASA. As I said, they are cautiously optimistic for 2016. |
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