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First college level game...
I am doing my first college level game (double header this weekend) and strangely, I am not too nervous. (I must be forgetting something...lol)
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Its a piece of cake.... one pitch at a time, If you've been doing club ball for any length of time, you've probably done better games than you will see at the J.C. Div III or Div II level...
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Advice? None.
Congrats, though! I do have plenty of congrats for you. :) |
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I hope its good ball ... its a Div I school. I actually have never seen the team play before .. but I've worked their fund raising tournament before. ;) |
It's fall ball. Relax, and enjoy. Are you working a three man crew? If so, there are some practices allowed in NCAA (such as rimming), that aren't traditionally accepted mechanics in ASA.
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To rim, (rimming) is where the umpire stays outside the diamond even though the ball is hit to the outfield. For example, with no runners on, a ball is hit to left field. U3 chases. Rather than come inside the diamond, U1 stays outside, watches as the runner touches first and then, while still outside the diamond, takes the runner to second. This keeps all the elements of a possible play at second in front of him; the ball, the runner, the base to which a pending play may be developing, and the fielder who possibly will be making the play. |
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Alright Steven. I know you will have no problems. Who you working with and what teams involved? Just have fun. |
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This mechanic provides no more advantage in this situation than a button-hook does. That is, unless you cheat on your button-hook. |
My opinion is that NCAA rimming has one advantage, always; it is easier physically than pushing the buttonhook. It also has one advantage, sometimes; if U3 doesn't chase and covers 2nd, any possible play between 1st and 2nd is automatically bracketed.
Rimming has one potential weakness; when U3 chases, if there is an overthrow at 2nd, U1 is behind a possible play at 3rd, and this results in either 1) a call from behind at 3rd, or 2) PU to take a potential play at 3rd that should routinely belong to U1. Sure, that can be overcome, but it requires an adjustment to standards by the umpires. We could argue forever which is a better mechanic; bottom line is simply that ASA and NCAA have differing philosophies on mechanics for very good reasons. The ASA philosophy is to create basic rules that apply to the vast majority of situations, to minimize conditional exceptions, because the vast and overwhelming numbers of umpires calling that program need the absolutes of KISS, "KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID". The inside-outside theory without exceptions covers that situation. The NCAA philosophy is to create or enable a much smaller and greatly more experienced group of higher level umpires to utilize a flexible set of mechanics that allow and even mandate exceptions to almost every general rule, to create specific mechanics that are "best" for each and every situation, and presume that each and every umpire in the program is fully capable (and will, in every case) to adapt and adjust to any variation. Again, each progam has good and valid reasons for their approach. I, for one, simply refuse to say that either is better for all. Each is better suited to their own program, IMO. And, this argument is no better than sniping about a philosophical difference to publicly publish on the internet a (NCAA) rulebook that no one would plagiarize (there is no one out there that I have ever met or heard of that wants to use college specific rules that isn't an affiliated member of NCAA already) versus not making internet available another (ASA) rulebook that would be (and is) regularly plagiarized or otherwise stolen without permission by literally thousands of teams, leagues, and tournaments, that simply play "ASA Rules", yet choose to not register their team, league, or tournament, unless forced to do so. Clearly different business models, clearly each has good reasons for doing it how they do it. Both are right, IMO, for doing it their way. |
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I agree with Steve's assessment of the mechanic. However, I do not agree with this comment:
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Like in baseball, the fact that someone has attained a certain level does not make them the best/more experience or higher than the next guy/gal. It simply means they are the best/more experienced available. Quote:
The NCAA does not have an umpire's association and I doubt they register the coach/team as an independent entity. They are a conglomerate of educational institutions banded together for the benefit and coordination of athletic programs. Yes, other organizations offer their rules on line and they have every right to do so. I would think it all depends on each organization's philosophy and priority. And that is each organization's right and privilege. |
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as compared to inactively joining in? :eek: |
Ack... game got cancelled... something about one school not being NCAA "compliant" ....dangit :(
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Don't forget, english is my second foreign langue AND i'm working the nightshift right now. I'm not that clear as I wished I should be. But I think I've got the message... Hopefully tonight (at 20:30h) I'm well awake. Working as U3 in the first semi-final dutch national championship ladies competition.. |
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J/K, both good officials at all levels. |
My first college tourney is next weekend!
Because of my work schedule I cannot work NCAA ball, so this should be fun. I got the invite from my gold work. A fall ball NCAA tourney! I'll be working this one at Arnaiz http://pacifictigers.cstv.com/sports...091008aab.html and rotating to a concurrent gold tourney. Should be great! Cal bears and other good d1 teams there. I'm stoked! |
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Sander, your English is much better than my Dutch - as you well know. How is the family? Larry |
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College umpires come mostly from ASA. Sometimes they are the cream of the crop, sometimes they are not. I've worked with good ones and I can think of two absolutely horrible NCAA umps right off the top of my head.
College umps typically are more dedicated and better trained that an average umpire, but not always. The college umpires system is not limited by a policy of catering to a low common denominator of ump (as ASA does) which makes for a overall better umpiring program. In the past two years they have really thought outside the box and I think it shows. ASA is still boxed by old school umpire leadership. It wasnt too long ago NCAA umpires were the robots..they've moved on and left us watching. But one cannot doubt that ASA is at the core of the NCAA program, that is where umpiring at any appreciable level starts. Any umpire who states otherwise is in never never land. Some downsides are: College is limited by who can participate just based on lifes reasons. College Umps around here are organizing really well under the leadership of moz..but NCAA umping still requires a lot of *** kissing of coaches. I'm sure its worse where there is entirely no organization. Coaches, not umpires, truely decide your fate. That is why an organization would be nice. |
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Nothing inherently wrong with it...but lets be forthright in acknowledging it?? |
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It is obvious most of you have no idea what the actual registration rate for an ASA umpireis, even though it is clearly noted in the code.
And I'm not going to tell you. Look it up. |
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yeah.. I wont get to practice my rimming with them.... :rolleyes: ohhh well maybe next time. :) |
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So, yes I agree with you I have no idea what the rate is.:confused: |
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Although some of you guys are getting jacked on your dues thats for sure. WAY too much. |
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worried about it. Work two tournaments and it all comes back. |
In NC, we pay $65. I'm not sure where it all goes, though. Never asked, really.
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ASA gets $15 per umpire, to pay for rulebook, insurance, and sustain the National Office Umpire program. Whatever you pay in your area, the balance stays in your local association, to sustain your local programs.
We pay $45 in Georgia; part of the extra $30 goes into a travel fund that pays the travel costs of Georgia umpires to out-of-state National Tournaments. Part goes to compensate the State UIC staff, part goes to meet training and meeting expenses. Part goes to the state association general budget. I would presume that the costs in your states go toward similar expenses. |
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Why do you bother, Sam. I'm well aware of that and have worked with quite a few. Some from your area. But the discussion is based on the perception that because someone works NCAA, they are the best. It just isn't a fact. BTW, of course, they are a OPINIONS which is most of what is offered on any message board, including this one. Quote:
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As opposed to being a leech and expecting everything for nothing? Quote:
Actually, EXACTLY like the companies you mentioned. The people they hire are NOT necessarily the BEST, but as you noted, the best AVAILABLE who is willing to do the job they way the COMPANY wants it for the money the company wants to pay. In many cases that involves sucking up to certain people, being a "yes" person, and totally abandoning any level of ethics, morality or loyalty. That's a pretty harsh insinuation about the NCAA folks and your fellow umpires. Then again, I didn't say it, you did. Quote:
And that would be the organization the umpire voluntarily joins and controls through participating in the associations meetings, votes and elections. You do that right? Quote:
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