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Stu Clary Mon Sep 22, 2008 02:33pm

What makes a good umpire?
 
Without getting too deep or philosophical, what attributes does a good umpire possess?

Skahtboi Mon Sep 22, 2008 02:51pm

Well...you have already disqualified all of the good answers. :cool:

DaveASA/FED Mon Sep 22, 2008 03:04pm

I agree with Scott the real answers are deep and philosophical!!! :D

But a short list
1) loves the game
2) strives to be the best at what they do
a) willing to keep training
b) willing to keep reading and studying the rules
3) can let things go and learn from their mistakes
4) can turn off their hearing
a) let people bark at you till it gets where it needs to be stopped
b) dont' let things people say make you believe them like "you cost us the game blue"

there is a short list I am sure there are more.....

NCASAUmp Mon Sep 22, 2008 03:35pm

Tossing in a few...

A good umpire...
Hustles with purpose.
Does the little things, like arrive with a clean uniform and polished shoes.
Helps out his partners and assignor(s) when they're in a jam.
Does not "expect" the big assignments.

And most of all... Frequents and contributes to this forum!

CecilOne Mon Sep 22, 2008 03:38pm

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Originally Posted by Stu Clary (Post 538627)
Without getting too deep or philosophical, what attributes does a good umpire possess?

There is a long list; but how about caring, communicating, composure and consistency.

Possibly too "philosophical"; so what Dave said:
- knowledge applied correctly
- judgement (accuracy from focus)
- position (anticipation and hustle)

DeputyUICHousto Mon Sep 22, 2008 03:55pm

Makings of a Good Umpire
 
1. Desire to do the job right.
2. Always trying to get better.
3. HUSTLE!
4. Communication
5. Don't try to be bigger than the game.
6. A Veteran Umpire should always be will to help any umpire but especially new umpires.

I'm sure I've left off some good ones...but...oh well. After 20 years I've probably forgotten a few.

GrumpUmp Mon Sep 22, 2008 04:32pm

The umpire who makes it his or her mission and passion to "Get It Right!" To me that would cover all the things mentioned in the previous posts.

bigsig Mon Sep 22, 2008 06:23pm

How about good eye sight!
Consistancy

Texasbock Mon Sep 22, 2008 07:17pm

What makes a good umpire?
 
Picking up the good habits of the ones that have been around. And also picking up on what not to do from the same.

Always look for ways to improve.

Always give the impression that you know what the hell you are doing even when you don't.

Try to have a pleasant disposition. No one likes being around a horse's ***.

Remember that the focus should never be on you.

Hustle and sell the calls that require selling.

whiskers_ump Mon Sep 22, 2008 08:38pm

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Originally Posted by Texasbock (Post 538695)
Picking up the good habits of the ones that have been around. And also picking up on what not to do from the same.

Always look for ways to improve.

Always give the impression that you know what the hell you are doing even when you don't.

Try to have a pleasant disposition. No one likes being around a horse's ***.

Remember that the focus should never be on you.

Hustle and sell the calls that require selling.

All good - however, I really like this one.

Always give the impression that you know what the hell you are doing even when you don't.

Dholloway1962 Mon Sep 22, 2008 08:49pm

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Originally Posted by whiskers_ump (Post 538702)
Always give the impression that you know what the hell you are doing even when you don't.


You have that one down to an art, or so I've been told. You stepped into that one! :D

robbie Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:25pm

I think you all tried to be too un-clinical (un-clinical.......... is that a word??)
Bottom line - Get the calls correct. We are paid (or volunteer??) to do a job. That job is to make judgement calls and to apply appropriate rules for the given situation. Our job is to do these 2 things with the highest level of accuracy that is possible.

socalumps Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:30pm

Learn ...or develop.... the ability to judge with decernment, wisdom, and fairness.

And.....if assignments are important...the proper affiliation mechanics would be very helpful!!

NCASAUmp Tue Sep 23, 2008 07:21am

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Originally Posted by robbie (Post 538728)
I think you all tried to be too un-clinical (un-clinical.......... is that a word??)
Bottom line - Get the calls correct. We are paid (or volunteer??) to do a job. That job is to make judgement calls and to apply appropriate rules for the given situation. Our job is to do these 2 things with the highest level of accuracy that is possible.

Perhaps, but just because an umpire gets the calls right doesn't mean they're doing their job right. I'm sure we all know umpires who have great mechanics, judgment and rule knowledge, but screw everything else up on the field.

I think the heart of this conversation is finding out what separates the wheat from the chaff.

NCASAUmp Tue Sep 23, 2008 07:29am

I'm going to throw a couple more things out there...

Don't yell out every call. It looks like you're trying to overcompensate for something else, and if every call is yelled out, what do you have left in your bag for when you need to sell the really close calls?

Honor your commitments at all costs. If you don't want to call on a night you scheduled yourself, then don't accept the assignment to begin with (yeah, we had a no-show last night, leaving an ump by himself).

Remain calm and polite throughout the game, but don't let the players run you. You look more in control if you're cool and calm as opposed to heated.

Remain consistent throughout the game. If you make any changes in how you call, don't do it mid-game, do it the next game. Your strike zone should be the same from the first pitch to the last. Think of it this way. If someone videotaped your game, then chopped it into different segments, someone watching those segments in random order shouldn't be able to pick out the start of the game, middle of the game or end of the game.

whiskers_ump Tue Sep 23, 2008 08:31am

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Originally Posted by Dholloway1962 (Post 538703)
You have that one down to an art, or so I've been told. You stepped into that one! :D


OK, that did it. I am retiring. :D

Skahtboi Tue Sep 23, 2008 08:32am

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Originally Posted by GrumpUmp (Post 538669)
The umpire who makes it his or her mission and passion to "Get It Right!" To me that would cover all the things mentioned in the previous posts.

See...you are waxing philosophical now.

DaveASA/FED Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:32am

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 538768)
Don't yell out every call.

Honor your commitments at all costs.

Remain calm and polite throughout the game, but don't let the players run you. You look more in control if you're cool and calm as opposed to heated.

I like these 3 points. I think #1 is very valid only sell what you have to, routine out call should almost be signal only, very little verbal needed again we don't need to be noticed all the time!

#2 is also a very big thing that can get you into trouble...if you CAN'T be somewhere you promised to be....and I have been sent out of country for emergency work things so it does happen.....FIND A REPLACEMENT....I worked my butt off (ok not all of it) to find people to cover my games the week I got forced to leave town, but all my games were covered before I left. But I know people that will take games then try to get out of them if a "better" game comes along on that date. Thats BS take what you agreed to do.....ok I am getting into bi*ching instead of the intent of the OP, I'll stop now

#3 I think this is paramount in officiating you have to be able to stay calm, listen to an idiot that does not know the rules and let it slide off your back and go back to work. Like I was told years ago, Never argue with an idiot they will just bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience! Yet I see umpires that want to prove to the other guy they are right, and will get elevated in tone, demeaner and attitude...the old guy thing I have to prove mine is bigger than yours. That's stupid, and gets you know where in this game, or alot of times in life! Great thing about officiating is you have the final say, you and your partner are the only ones that are guarenteed to be there at the end of the game. If the coach or player gets past your line, you can releave them of their stress by letting them go home early! So theirs might be bigger but it's not allowed back on the field!!

GrumpUmp Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:44am

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Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 538784)
See...you are waxing philosophical now.

There may be a philosophical element to “Get It Right!” but to me it is a matter of attitude and refers to striving to be proficient in all aspects of umpiring, not just getting the calls right or being in the right place to make calls or the right signals to use. It encompasses everything including dress, protection, demeanor, safety, rules knowledge and applications, mechanics and signals knowledge, handling situations, attending clinics (where and/or when available), support for and from your fellow blues, honor, trust, commitment, even-handed firmness and fairness, et cetera. A laundry list could be compiled and every item on it would go back to doing what is necessary to “Get It Right!”

Skahtboi Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:36am

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Originally Posted by GrumpUmp (Post 538814)
There may be a philosophical element to “Get It Right!” but to me it is a matter of attitude and refers to striving to be proficient in all aspects of umpiring, not just getting the calls right or being in the right place to make calls or the right signals to use. It encompasses everything including dress, protection, demeanor, safety, rules knowledge and applications, mechanics and signals knowledge, handling situations, attending clinics (where and/or when available), support for and from your fellow blues, honor, trust, commitment, even-handed firmness and fairness, et cetera. A laundry list could be compiled and every item on it would go back to doing what is necessary to “Get It Right!”


And I agree with this philosophy.

DeputyUICHousto Tue Sep 23, 2008 02:21pm

Nothing Angers me more than...
 
having an umpire tell you they will work your tournament only to show up Saturday morning to tell you they have to leave by 2pm...when I tell someone I'm going to work for them I'm there (unless I've told them up front) until they tell me they no longer need me.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Sep 23, 2008 03:22pm

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Originally Posted by DeputyUICHousto (Post 538863)
having an umpire tell you they will work your tournament only to show up Saturday morning to tell you they have to leave by 2pm...when I tell someone I'm going to work for them I'm there (unless I've told them up front) until they tell me they no longer need me.

Unfortunately, this is the norm with some people. Problem that is more of an issue is that you need that umpire so bad, you don't always have that much of a choice.

In some areas, the days of "dawn until whenever we get done" are long gone.

SRW Tue Sep 23, 2008 05:16pm

A good umpire...
 
...leaves the kitchen timer in the kitchen.


:D ;)

Steve M Tue Sep 23, 2008 08:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRW (Post 538904)
...leaves the kitchen timer in the kitchen.


:D ;)

Of course the wife is in the kitchen - unless she's cleaning or getting a cold drink for me - where else would she be:D

(Definitely not looking over my shoulder - that's for sure)

Skahtboi Wed Sep 24, 2008 09:14am

Someone's in the kitchen with Dinah.... :D

Andy Wed Sep 24, 2008 09:24am

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Originally Posted by SRW (Post 538904)
...leaves the kitchen timer in the kitchen.


:D ;)

I can see we need to have words.....about five minutes worth...I'll time it! :)

SRW Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:11am

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 539009)
I can see we need to have words.....about five minutes worth...I'll time it! :)

No problem... I read slow...

:p

DeputyUICHousto Wed Sep 24, 2008 03:43pm

I just realized what makes a good umpire...
 
After 20 years of calling fast and slow, it has finally occured to me what makes a good umpire.

ANYONE WHO CAN STAY ON A BALLFIELD AND TAKE ALL OF THE CRAP FROM COACHES, PARENTS AND PLAYER!

IRISHMAFIA Wed Sep 24, 2008 05:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeputyUICHousto (Post 539097)
After 20 years of calling fast and slow!

20 years? Rookie!

DeputyUICHousto Thu Sep 25, 2008 01:45pm

Thanks Irish
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 539114)
20 years? Rookie!

I appreciate your kind words!


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