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IRISHMAFIA Tue Aug 19, 2008 09:23pm

USA vs Japan
 
Boy, did BU just kick a call at 2B

whiskers_ump Tue Aug 19, 2008 09:38pm

WOW, was that a generous 3rd strike on the USA batter?

whiskers_ump Tue Aug 19, 2008 09:48pm

Flowers, Watley, and Lowe, smells like a run. :)

whiskers_ump Tue Aug 19, 2008 09:59pm

Mike,

Was that an illegal pitch on Lowe? Looked like the Japan gal went to roisn
bag, did not wipe, then spit in her hand.

RKBUmp Tue Aug 19, 2008 09:59pm

In a 0-0 game in the top of the sixth, why arent they sac bunting watley to get the runner in scoring position? And looked to me like lowe got a pretty generous call, not sure it got her hands, and she went a long way around on it anyway.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump
Mike,

Was that an illegal pitch on Lowe? Looked like the Japan gal went to roisn
bag, did not wipe, then spit in her hand.

Not sure, my screen saver kicked in right then. However, this pitcher did that all last year during the World Cup of Softball

DNTXUM P Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
However, this pitcher did that all last year during the World Cup of Softball

Not 100% sure, but I believe this pitcher was left home last year during the world cup. Japan did not want the US to see her.

whiskers_ump Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:06pm

PU got a little carried away on that 2nd strike. Went in a 3rd strike mode.

Been there, done that. :D

IRISHMAFIA Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:07pm

PU just sold a 2nd strike. Caught Nuevy off guard. Batter said, "but blue, that's only the 2nd strike". To which the umpire responded, "yes, but it was a damn good 2nd strike"

IRISHMAFIA Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:13pm

USA may be in trouble. Just don't look comfortable at the plate.

whiskers_ump Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
Not sure, my screen saver kicked in right then. However, this pitcher did that all last year during the World Cup of Softball

Wiggle that mouse now and then. :D

whiskers_ump Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RKBUmp
In a 0-0 game in the top of the sixth, why arent they sac bunting watley to get the runner in scoring position? And looked to me like lowe got a pretty generous call, not sure it got her hands, and she went a long way around on it anyway.


I agree if the call was for a hit batter. I would have said illegal pitch watching
the Japan gal go to rosin then appeared to spit in hand.

RKBUmp Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:21pm

Now would not be a good time for an illegal pitch.

whiskers_ump Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
PU just sold a 2nd strike. Caught Nuevy off guard. Batter said, "but blue, that's only the 2nd strike". To which the umpire responded, "yes, but it was a damn good 2nd strike"

ROFLMAO

RKBUmp Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:24pm

I have seen several times where the japan pitcher appeared to never wipe her hand after going from rosin bag to mouth to ball and I just started watching in the 5th.

AtlUmpSteve Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump
Mike,

Was that an illegal pitch on Lowe? Looked like the Japan gal went to roisn
bag, did not wipe, then spit in her hand.

Use of the rosin bag does not require a wipe in ISF nor ASA; only NCAA specifically requires you to wipe off the drying agent (you put on to dry the hand) onto what is probably wet.

Now, spit is another thing; it is clear you must wipe after going to the mouth (and spitting into the hand has to be considered the same).

IRISHMAFIA Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:35pm

Going for help on a check on a called strike?

Dakota Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:36pm

I think he wanted catcher's obstruction.

whiskers_ump Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RKBUmp
I have seen several times where the japan pitcher appeared to never wipe her hand after going from rosin bag to mouth to ball and I just started watching in the 5th.

Look at the back of her RED shorts. NO White, and she is using rosin pretty
regularly.

whiskers_ump Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:46pm

WOW luck of the draw with Watley on 2B in that situation.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:46pm

Boy, can she run or what?

Dakota Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:52pm

Bustos 3 run HR!

whiskers_ump Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:52pm

light Outs

IRISHMAFIA Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:53pm

Wow, what a shot by Bustos

Dakota Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:55pm

I wonder if Bustos has an endorsement contract for that Sprite she is drinking... ;)

whiskers_ump Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve
Use of the rosin bag does not require a wipe in ISF nor ASA; only NCAA specifically requires you to wipe off the drying agent (you put on to dry the hand) onto what is probably wet.

Now, spit is another thing; it is clear you must wipe after going to the mouth (and spitting into the hand has to be considered the same).


Thanks steve.

At times it looks like she might be spitting, others you can see she is blowing
cause dust flies.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:04pm

Is it me, or are the letters on the hat just a bit too large?

IRISHMAFIA Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:05pm

Osterman to clean up

Dakota Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:10pm

With Abbot getting the start here, and Osterman in relief, I guess that means Finch starts the gold medal game.... 'cause it will be Japan, again.

Steve M Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dakota
I think he wanted catcher's obstruction.

Sure looked like CO to me - both batter's reaction and catcher's reaction.

wadeintothem Wed Aug 20, 2008 07:56am

On TV you could see on reply it was obviously CO.. That call was kicked.

So.. is the ISF rule about ITB different than ASA? Michelle smith said last out over and over and over....

Dakota Wed Aug 20, 2008 08:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by wadeintothem
So.. is the ISF rule about ITB different than ASA? Michelle smith said last out over and over and over....

:eek: :D :D :D

Dakota Wed Aug 20, 2008 08:02am

If you watch on the web you don't have the "advantage" of the expert commentary...

IRISHMAFIA Wed Aug 20, 2008 08:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by wadeintothem
On TV you could see on reply it was obviously CO.. That call was kicked.

So.. is the ISF rule about ITB different than ASA? Michelle smith said last out over and over and over....

No, they are the same. Michelle Smith may be able to play softball, but when it comes to rules knowledge, she is ignorant.

wadeintothem Wed Aug 20, 2008 09:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
No, they are the same. Michelle Smith may be able to play softball, but when it comes to rules knowledge, she is ignorant.

without exageration, she said it about 20 times.

AtlUmpSteve Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by wadeintothem
On TV you could see on replay it was obviously CO.. That call was kicked.

So.. is the ISF rule about ITB different than ASA? Michelle Smith said last out over and over and over....

There is no difference in the rule or application. However, ISF uses the "Tie-Breaker" rule, often called the ITB, because they govern international play. ASA uses the "Tie-Breaker Rule", which, to be completely accurate, is the ASA Tie-Breaker Rule. Most people call all tiebreaker rules ITB (all facial tissues are kleenex, etc.), but, only the ISF rule is technically the ITB.

The ISF rule is:
Sec. 6. TIE-BREAKER.
Starting with the top of the eighth inning, and each half inning thereafter, the offensive team shall begin its turn at bat with the player who is scheduled to bat ninth (9th in FP), tenth (10th in SP, 11th in SP with an EP, or 12th in Co-ed SP with EP’s) in that respective half-inning being placed on second base. The player who is running can be substituted in accordance with the substitution rules.

AtlUmpSteve Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:34am

While quoting ISF rules, I went ahead and copied the foreign substance rule. Just like everyone OTHER than NCAA (well ASA and NFHS), it only says to wipe after going to the mouth.

Sec. 5. FOREIGN SUBSTANCE.
a. No member of the defensive team shall, at any time during the game, be permitted to use any foreign substance on the ball. A pitcher who licks his fingers must wipe off his fingers before making contact with the ball.
NOTE: If any defensive team member continues to place a foreign substance on the ball, the pitcher shall be ejected from the game.
b. Applying resin to the ball, or into the glove and then placing the ball in the glove, is an illegal act. Resin must be kept on the ground behind the pitcher’s plate when not in use.
c. Under the supervision and control of the umpire, powdered resin may be used to dry the hands.

bigsig Wed Aug 20, 2008 06:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dakota
I wonder if Bustos has an endorsement contract for that Sprite she is drinking... ;)

Not if it's diet sprite! ;)

wadeintothem Wed Aug 20, 2008 07:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve
There is no difference in the rule or application. However, ISF uses the "Tie-Breaker" rule, often called the ITB, because they govern international play. ASA uses the "Tie-Breaker Rule", which, to be completely accurate, is the ASA Tie-Breaker Rule. Most people call all tiebreaker rules ITB (all facial tissues are kleenex, etc.), but, only the ISF rule is technically the ITB.

well as long as the rule is the same, i'm not into semantic word games some umpires love. Thats like sniveling when someone calls an indicator a clicker.

IRISHMAFIA Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by wadeintothem
Thats like sniveling when someone calls an indicator a clicker.

If you went to parochial school, you would understand.


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