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I worked with a guy this weekend I perceived to be a little on the , ugh anal side, about uniforms being tucked in. It was 18U. It was the losers championship followed by the championship/ if games.

He was holding the game up every other batter. It just seems to me to be a little on the absurd side of things. Here we have a 50 yo overweight guy admonishing 17-18 year old players about clothing....I know what RS#49 says about unsporting behavior but really ,did the powers to be at ASA go to the manufacturers and ask them "what is the proper way for 17/18 year old young ladies to wear these uniforms ?"

So how much time and effort do you put into making sure everybody is tucked in ?

I bring up the "tuck" rule at the pre game. As long as the Jersey is not "billowing" out (loose fitting :D ) I usually won't stop the game, if it is then I'll ask them to tuck it in.

Zero.

I'd remind them at pre-game. If I see a player who has a jersey that isn't worn properly, I'll politely remind them. If I see it over and over again, I'll just politely remind the coach between innings.

I've got other more important things to be worrying about. I'm not going to hold up every other batter.

Just a little less than Dakota.
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Pre-game, I will mention it to a player maybe when they are coming in. the only time I might stop the action if is hanging over the strike zone or hiding the pitchers delivery. So I guess I spend 1-2 sec. on it.

1-3 seconds. Tell them, if I have to, you have to.:D

If its a big time tournament, I will put some effort. But still not as bad as the anal types.

Regular tournament, if I think it could affect batting.. I address it .. other than that, I dont do the fashion monitor stuff.

Because it says it in the rule book and because that's my bible on the field, I enforce it every single time... that I notice it.

;)

From an earlier post in a different thread:

I have been evaluated a couple of times and once for not enforcing the rules about uniforms. From then on, during a pre-game I inform the coaches that their players had to be ready to play at the start of the game and that meant uniforms also. One time in a tourney I gave one warning in the second inning and then asked for a substitute the second time. After that everybody was ready to play. I always ask the TD at the start of the tourney if uniform rules will be enforced. Depending on what they say is how I handle it.

RS 49 A & B are pretty much a joke!

Why is it unsporting for one person to wear white sliders and another player to wear black?

Maybe you should look up the definition of "uniform".

I understand that...but why the term "unsporting"?

What would you like to call it? A team is refusing to follow the prescribe rules under which they agreed to play.

Uniform = ASA umpire shorts and black cowboy boots, and a trucker type ASA hat.

Unsporting = black sliding shorts when everyone else is wearing white.

Just would like to know why the "higher ups" decided to put that in the "Emphasis Part" of the rule book which is now the rules supplement under unsporting behavior. Of all the things that happen in a game why that?

"Refusing" would imply the player / team was instructed they needed to buy a pair of undies that are of the prescribed color and then taking the field / entering the batter's box anyway without correcting the problem. I'm with Dholloway1962... it seems a bit over the top to consider a uniform infraction grounds for ejection. At most it is grounds for "fix that or you don't play." Ejecting a player for wearing the wrong color underwear sounds very Fed-like. At least ASA has not yet allowed post-game protests on a black sports bra DQ-ing the player and setting aside the results of the game! Some people get anal about the oddest things... :rolleyes:

Not you Dakota. :D

We call by the rules of the association we are working for. We surely don't
want to mix the groups. [example]

ASA allowing 12 players on the line-up, plus subs?
Utilizing last out as CR.
Limiting innings pitched by a pitcher.

Me? Never! :rolleyes:

I got dinged for allowing F4 to wear a non-uniform head band at a national tournament a couple of years ago. It was hotter'n blazes with temp = humidity and I let it go.

I hate being the fashion police, but I did choose to ignore this infraction for practical reasons. Still, the evaluator didn't like it.

A much simpler solution than hounding players about tucking shirts in is to consider it a component in avoiding the pitch. If the batter does not have the shirt tucked in when it is required to be tucked in, and she gets hit in the shirt by a pitch, then she did not make the effort required to avoid. Simple. And, I don't have to be the arbiter of whether the uniform is being worn as designed.

What rule set specificly says "tucking uniforms in"? Fed and Utrip speak of wearing uniforms/equipment as designed by the manufacture. Has anyone ever asked the manufactuers how they designed it? I see coaches every game wearing matching polo shirts and some have them out and others have them in ( I know thats not really a "uniform" for this discussion).

I may be wrong but I've always felt this rule was a carry over from the times when most or all womens/youth teams wore the tradtional short sleeve, button up the front shirts that MLB wears. A few teams still do (certainly at the college level) and those should be in. But the times have changed. If the UIC insists then I'll do what they say but otherwise let commen sense be the guide.

I won't attempt to take credit for the line, but we all know common sense isn't so common. Just read some of these recent threads.

If common sense was common everyone would have it! :rolleyes:

And we'd probably be out of jobs! Our role thrives on the insanity of players and coaches.

ASA Rules Supplement 49 states an example of unsporting behavior is
A. Uniforms not properly worn, such as jerseys not tucked in...

B. Exposed undergarments of different colors worn by different teammates on same team.

Guess we need to check for exposed bra straps...Lord forbid someone wear a black bra and someone a white bra and the straps show.

How did the manufacturer intend the uniform to be worn? Simple look at their catalog.

Right... like I'm going to do that! :rolleyes:

Looks to me like reaching for trivia is a compliment to the rest of your game. Like the comment I got about my hands no facing straight forward on a dead ball signal, even with my mask in one hand.

Happened earlier this week at the PONY Nationals. R1 at first and stealing on the pitch. I'm the PU and as the inside pitch comes in, the batter twirls to get out of the way and the ball grazes the battter's shirt that was not tucked. I call the ball dead and return R1 to first as I have a dead ball strike.

OC comes out wanting to know why I'm not awarding his batter first base and my response was: Coach, had the batter's shirt been tucked in, the ball would have been able to cross through my zone. In my judgment the pitch is a strike and the ball is dead with R1 returning to the base she occupied at the time of the pitch.

As unhappy as the OC was with the call, he about blew a gasket when I refused to get help from my partner. No further issues developed.