dead ball strike

[Skahtboi]

As you have noted, it is a dead ball, strike three, so nothing further can happen. I don't see a real conundrum here, though.

[Dakota]

Too little sleep, Cecil? The ball was dead the moment it hit the batter. Nothing that happens after a dead ball matters. If the dead ball strike was strike 3, the batter is out.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

As you have noted, it is a dead ball, strike three, so nothing further can happen. I don't see a real conundrum here, though.

As Tom suggests, maybe that was too early for me to explain clearly.
The conundrum is that by the book, the batter is not out because the strike three was uncaught and if the ball is dead, the batter can not be tagged out or played out at 1st. The question is about what is in the rules.
I ruled her out, my partner agreed, no one argued, but I'm wondering how this is covered in my books (NCAA,NFHS,ASA,USSSA,PONY) and where.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

As Tom suggests, maybe that was too early for me to explain clearly.
The conundrum is that by the book, the batter is not out because the strike three was uncaught and if the ball is dead, the batter can not be tagged out or played out at 1st. The question is about what is in the rules.
I ruled her out, my partner agreed, no one argued, but I'm wondering how this is covered in my books (NCAA,NFHS,ASA,USSSA,PONY) and where.

You are mixing up two rules that dont apply together. The ASA rule clearly states that a batter is out when the 3rd strike is swung at and the ball touches any part of the batter. The ball is dead, the batter is out.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

You are mixing up two rules that dont apply together. The ASA rule clearly states that a batter is out when the 3rd strike is swung at and the ball touches any part of the batter. The ball is dead, the batter is out.

I hadn't checked my ASA book, but I will now.
Thanks for posting on topic.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

PONY 10-1-e says that when a pitched ball touches any part of the batter's person or clothing whether the ball was struck at or not.

The "play" in PONY book says “B1 swings at a pitched ball and the ball hits her hand while holding the bat."

The "ruling” a Strike shall be called and the ball will be dead. the hand is not part of the bat

NCAA 11.16.2.3 “ The ball touches any part of the batter’s person as she swings and misses for a third strike

Effect: the ball is dead, the batter is out, and each runner must return to the base last legally occupied at the time of the pitch

hope this could help a little

[robbie]

NSA also spells it out.

"The batter is out when the 3rd strike is struck at and missed including if the ball touches any part of the batter's person."