Whats the call
 

situation. . .ASA Mens SP

R1 and 3rd, R2 at 1st. . . . 1B playing behind the bag and just over R2's right shoulder

Lefty batter, laces a line drive (i mean this play was bang bang). . . .. . . .R1 takes off for home

R2 takes the linedrive (in air) right off his shoulder after trying to get out of the way. . .all the time R2 IS in contact with the bag. Ball ricochets off his shoulder, over the Right field fence and out of play. At the time the ball hit the runner, ball was fair

I know that R1 is not out - 8.8.M (contrary to the defensive teams plea's and arguements)

However, here comes the question on what to do next.

I decided to put the BR on 1st, R2 on 2nd and scored R1 from 3rd.

After the game, i thought, what if the ball richoched off the bag and out of bounds, that would be a dead ball, GRD. . .so I think that BR on 2B and R2 on 3rd (scoring R1) would be the correct call.

Thoughts?

Is there anything in the rules about a ball hitting a player, not touched by a defensive player and going out of play??

Well, scoring R1 was wrong.

Yeah, what is "out of bounds"? This isn't football or basketball.

Yes, a fair batted ball which leaves the field of play is a GRD. The BR and all runners are advanced two bases from the TOP.

Um... Wouldn't scoring R1 be correct? I think you meant R2.

Why on earth would they think R1 is out?

Tell em to dream on.

they only advance if forced on this play.

Right, so B3 is now on 2B, R2 is on 3B, and R1 is...

No, the ball is dead. R1 has no right to advance on this play.

We've got 2 runners at the beginning of this sitch: R1 on 3B and R2 on 1B. Where would you put R1 if you rule a GRD?

I think I would have him crossing HP and chalking up 1 run for the offensive team.:D

Hello .. mcfly!

The balls dead. Its not GRD. You dont get to choose GRD on this play.

A space ship could steal that ball and the runner still doesnt get to score.

no.. br goes 1b, R2 goes 2b, and r1 can stand there picking his nose and scratching himself. He goes no where.

Okay, let's start seeing some rule citations here...

I have no outs here because: 8-8-M - R2 was on the base, and it sounds like he didn't interfere intentionally.

The problem becomes 8-5-I (the GRD rule), whereby:

Now, it sounds like F3 had an opportunity to catch the ball in flight. However, I'm going to have to go back on my word and state that ASA, from what I've found, has nothing in the book to cover this specific play. If F3 had been in front of the base (assuming F4 was by 2B), that'd be one thing. However, this doesn't seem to be covered.

I'm not calling an out on R2. However, do you give all runners 2 bases? Or do you do something different? Advance BR to 1B, force R2 to 2B, leave R1 on 3B and call it even?

Oh yea?

OK.. I'm at work so no rule cite in retort.. but when i get home youre gonna get a rule cite and and almost this exact play is in the 08 Case book. 8-8 isnt the one I dont believe..there is another one. I think in the 7's somewheres.

Can't be in the 8-7s... Those are "Runner is Out." Unless there's an exception there. 8-8 is "Runner is not out."

I did a search earlier for "deflect," and it only pulled up 8-8-M and RS 26, but neither of them go into a ball that hits a runner on base that hasn't passed a fielder.

This is not so complicated. A fair batted ball hit a runner who was in contact with a base and did not interfere intentionally. The nearest fielder was playing behind the runner. (Whether the fielder had an opportunity to make an out is irrelevant.) Therefore, the ball is immediately dead. The batter gets 1B, and other runners return TOI unless forced.

This is ASA only. NSA's rule covering runners hit while in contact with a base is different. In Babe Ruth softball—which follows OBR—the base is not a sanctuary; the runner is out unless the ball passed a fielder and no other fielder had a chance to make a play. I don't know about Fed softball; it probably follows ASA.

I'll save wade the trouble. I dug it up in RS #44.

So you'd have R1 on 3B, R2 on 2B and the BR awarded 1B.

I don't know why I was overcomplicating things.

<<<I know that R1 is not out - 8.8.M (contrary to the defensive teams plea's and arguements)>>>


OOPS, , , ,thats supposed to be BR

#1. THIS IS NOT A DEFLECTED BALL!!!! The ball is dead.
#2. 8.8.M is the appropriate ruling as it pertains to the status of the runner hit by the ball.
#3. 8.8.E.6 is the appropriate ruling as it pertains to the status of the player who hit the ball.
#4. RS #44.A is the appropriate reference as it pertains to all involved in the play.
#5. Stop mixing beer and orange soda and you will not have these brain farts.

Thanks for the answer. . . .I truly appreciate all the help!!

Well, it didn't mix well with grape soda, so I thought I'd try something new! :D

Not to hijack :D :eek: , but I was drinking Blue Moon beer in Aurora, and it is served with orange slices. Pretty good, in a different taste sort of way.

Anything which comes with fruit is not beer.

With the runner still in contact with the base...
 

and the defender playing behind the runner you have an immediate dead ball and the batter is awarded 1st base. Then the runner from 1st moves up to 2nd base but the runner at 3rd isn't forced.

8-16m is the rule I was thinking of.. not 7 something.


And this is the case play

PLAY 8.9-6
With R1 on 1B, B2 hits a grounder toward F3. F3 is playing behind 1B and the ball strikes R1 standing on the bag trying to avoid the ball. When struck with the batted ball, both the ball and R1 are in fair territory.
RULING: The ball is fair and ruled dead. R1 is awarded 2B and B2 is awarded 1B. (8-1E[6]; 8-8M)

So...
 

lets throw a monkey wrench into this one.

Lets say the first baseman is in front of the base when the runner is struck with a fair batted ball then the ball goes into dead ball territory.

Now the ball is live until it goes into dead ball territory and you have a GRD when it goes out of play.

so how is that a monkey wrench exactly?

Yeah, wasn't that said already?

Thanks , , , the play happened so quick that there is no way that I can tell any of you where he was when the ball hit R2. . . . I think he moved up and was standing parallel. . . .now THATS a monkey's wench. I mean a ***** to call

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