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Old Mon Jun 30, 2008, 11:37am
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..... BUT if the hands are together, ball on top of glove, glove touching runner I would ahve an out. Just like if the ball is in the glove to me same thing. Again it's a HTBT cause if there is space between the ball and the fielder (air gap) then you would not have a tag, but if the ball is connected to the runner, through the mitt or not then I have an out.
I have to disagree. Forgetting the OP, dealing just with an ordinary "tag"----a fielder has to have control of the ball in the glove for a glove tag to be ruled a legal tag. Now she could be holding the ball barehanded while that hand is in the glove - legal, but outside?-- you got yourself an angry coach.
I'd like to see a rule from you on this.

You said you have an out, "if ball is connected to runner thru mitt or not"...

i.e. what if the fielder has the ball barehand but only touches her other hand/arm which is touching the runner? Does the glove in between make the difference? If not then a fielder holding the ball could tag a runner w/any part of her body--foot maybe?...An extreme example to show your mistake.
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Old Mon Jun 30, 2008, 12:04pm
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Of course not, they have to tag the runner with the ball, all I am saying is they are tagging the runner with the ball if they are touching the mitt that it touching the runner. To me all I am saying is that it doesn't matter if there is one layer of leather between the ball and the runner or two. If the ball is in the mitt and they tag the fielder with the mitt all agree it's an out. In that case there is one layer of leather seperating the ball from the runner. Now if they tag with the glove folded and ball on out side of mitt I am still going to have an out. BUT I will have to see for sure that the ball is TOUCHING the mitt to get an out, any space when there is a tag then i have a safe.
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Old Mon Jun 30, 2008, 12:11pm
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Is there a rule that specifies what in the mitt is? Barring that I'd say controlling the ball against the mitt securely makes the mitt something that can tag, no?
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Old Mon Jun 30, 2008, 02:05pm
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Is there a rule that specifies what in the mitt is? Barring that I'd say controlling the ball against the mitt securely makes the mitt something that can tag, no?
Yes, not a "force out".

The Softball Canada Rule Book says:

"TAG is the act of a fielder touching a runner, while holding the ball securely with his hands or glove, while the runner is in jeopardy".

In my game F3 was holding the ball securely with her hands. One had a glove on it. So we would have an out.

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Old Mon Jun 30, 2008, 03:32pm
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The tag has to be made with the hand or hands that control the ball.

If in the OP, the glove hand is just there "making a connection", that does not read like glove hand control, so it would not be a tag.
The connection principle is fine for contact with a base on a force or appeal, but not a tag.

The "Softball Canada Rule Book" definition is incomplete without the applicable rule wording.
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