3 Man Tag Ups -ASA

[Chess Ref]

Gonna be doing alot of 3 umpire games this weekend. So it's a good chance for me to get a little better at this. I'm going over page 228 and some of the info has me a little puzzled. I'm hoping for some clarification here.

R1 at 1B. we have a fly ball that neither ump goes out on. The book says the tag up responsibility is the 1B ump.

So what happens to the 3B ump who started the play in the B slot. Does he just hang around 2B and watch the play ?

It seems to me that you're gonna have 2 umps standing at 2B on this. I'm assuming I'm missing something here.

Feedback please....

[rwest]

Both base umpires will button hook in. The 3rd base umpire will have started in between first and second off the right shoulder of the 2nd baseman. The first base umpire will button hook into first and the 3rd base umpire will button hook into 2nd. The plate umpire will be moving to get an angle on the catch. Once the ball is caught or if the ball isn't caught, the 1st base umpire should rotate home and the plate umpire move to third.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by rwest

Both base umpires will button hook in. The 3rd base umpire will have started in between first and second off the right shoulder of the 2nd baseman. The first base umpire will button hook into first and the 3rd base umpire will button hook into 2nd. The plate umpire will be moving to get an angle on the catch. Once the ball is caught or if the ball isn't caught, the 1st base umpire should rotate home and the plate umpire move to third.

Good description. I would love to see it changed, but probably not in my lifetime.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Good description. I would love to see it changed, but probably not in my lifetime.

How would you change it?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by rwest

How would you change it?

I would put U3 ump in the C for a runner on 1B only. No contention with players, fielder or runner, for running lanes; If U1 goes out, U3 has the entire game in front of him; can easily see ball, tag and be in position for a call at 2B; can still cover same areas if needed to go out; IMO, is in better position to see a tag on a steal; keeps the field more balanced and keeps U3 from running back and forth across the field every time a baserunning situation changes.

Nothing really changes except the ease of the umpire to attain a good position for the plays at hand. You actually have to work it to appreciate it.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I would put U3 ump in the C for a runner on 1B only. No contention with players, fielder or runner, for running lanes; If U1 goes out, U3 has the entire game in front of him; can easily see ball, tag and be in position for a call at 2B; can still cover same areas if needed to go out; IMO, is in better position to see a tag on a steal; keeps the field more balanced and keeps U3 from running back and forth across the field every time a baserunning situation changes.

Nothing really changes except the ease of the umpire to attain a good position for the plays at hand. You actually have to work it to appreciate it.

Worked a game like this recently, was easy and all was covered. Also non-rotated, i.e., PU stayed home, BUs covered all bases. Plus, really helped with minimizing running on a very hot day.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by rwest

The 3rd base umpire will have started in between first and second off the right shoulder of the 2nd baseman.

With a single runner at 1st, U3 has one and only one base; 2nd. U3 does not care where 2B plays; U3 should stand in calling position 10-12 feet from 2nd, in a direct line of the front edge of 2nd and 3rd extended, where the call can be made without "getting into position".

When the ball is hit, U3 can adjust to the angle of a force throw, or buttonhook from that starting position; no reason to be off the shoulder of 2B, as no initial infield play will give U3 calling responsibility anywhere but 2nd.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

With a single runner at 1st, U3 has one and only one base; 2nd. U3 does not care where 2B plays; U3 should stand in calling position 10-12 feet from 2nd, in a direct line of the front edge of 2nd and 3rd extended, where the call can be made without "getting into position".

When the ball is hit, U3 can adjust to the angle of a force throw, or buttonhook from that starting position; no reason to be off the shoulder of 2B, as no initial infield play will give U3 calling responsibility anywhere but 2nd.

I stand corrected! Thanks!

[Chess Ref]

So I'm ump at 2B extended. R1 at 1B. We have a fly ball. No one goes out. Runner tags.

If defensive coach appeals, runner leaving early, I am assuming that would be my partners appreal to rule on since partner is responsible for tag ups at 1B ?

[rwest]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

With a single runner at 1st, U3 has one and only one base; 2nd. U3 does not care where 2B plays; U3 should stand in calling position 10-12 feet from 2nd, in a direct line of the front edge of 2nd and 3rd extended, where the call can be made without "getting into position".

When the ball is hit, U3 can adjust to the angle of a force throw, or buttonhook from that starting position; no reason to be off the shoulder of 2B, as no initial infield play will give U3 calling responsibility anywhere but 2nd.

Depending on what happens on the play he could be responsible for 1st. If U1rotates home, he is responsible for both 1st and 2nd. But I agree with your main point on where the U3 should be positioned.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by rwest

Depending on what happens on the play he could be responsible for 1st. If U1rotates home, he is responsible for both 1st and 2nd. But I agree with your main point on where the U3 should be positioned.

If that happens (U1 rotates home), it would not be an "initial infield play", the phrase I used to attempt to qualify my statement.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

If that happens (U1 rotates home), it would not be an "initial infield play", the phrase I used to attempt to qualify my statement.

Initially U3 only has 2nd, but on a subsequent play his responsibilities may change based on U1 rotating home.

Got it!

Thanks!

[SRW]

Originally Posted by rwest

The 3rd base umpire will have started in between first and second off the right shoulder of the 2nd baseman.

I believe with a runner on 1B only, U3 begins at a point of 3B-2B extended about 12 feet - not off F4's right shoulder.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by SRW

I believe with a runner on 1B only, U3 begins at a point of 3B-2B extended about 12 feet - not off F4's right shoulder.

Let's not forget, and I know this would need to be watched more in SP, that you need to be behind the infielders or a direct line between the closest on each side of the umpire.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by SRW

I believe with a runner on 1B only, U3 begins at a point of 3B-2B extended about 12 feet - not off F4's right shoulder.

You are correct sir!