What iffy play
 

(Actually, rather literally a dream play, since I was in fact dreaming when I saw this and probably never will.)

So, in my sitch, the pitcher gets the ball back with runners on 2 and 3 and 2 is off the base. She freezes and then moves toward third. The pitcher without making a play realizes the runner is committed to third and just stands there. Pretty soon we have two runners on third, and I'm trying to figure out what to do. Then one steps off. I call her out. The coach comes out to argue and I wake up.

But it of course got me thinking, is the runner at 3rd considered off her base once the runner from 2nd gets there? Or vice versa? Can they both be stopped there until the pitcher makes a play? What if the pitcher decides to get set to pitch?

Thoughts?
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HOrnyPassion live

Unless forced by a walk, award or a batted ball, the runner who already occupies third is the only person who has the right to it. An out can be recorded when both runners are standing on third by merely tagging the runner who came there from second.

However, from reading your post, it sounds like you should have a LBR violation before the runner from second ever made it to third. You said she froze, then moved back to second, and then on to third. She should be out.

If you legitimately end up with 2 runners on a base (could happen) and the pitcher keeps the ball in the circle without making a play, you call time and send the following runner back.

You definitely need some help with your fantasy life... :eek: :D

I meant she headed to third, edited the sitch.
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AngyStrip4U cam

Thanks, and what rule do I use to back that up.
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Redhead live

I'd wait until the defense had the presence of mind to tag the second runner out.

I think he forgot to mention that the players were hot babes in short shorts and that the coach likes to argue up close and very personal. . .

But what if they don't? The OP even asks:

Nope, Dakota's just right.
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IzabellaX

Then you defintely do need help with your fantasy life!

Bang both of them out. It's a dream! When the coach comes out to argue, shoot the coach with your pistol which all umpires have in dream scenarios.:D

Thanks, and what rule do I use to back that up?

I don't think it's in the ASA book in black and white. I asked that question a few years ago at clinic, and that's the answer I got (send the following runner back).

You might make a case for "two runners cannot occupy a base," but I think that's weak.

I did have that play happen, though. Two runners on 2B, and the pitcher ready to pitch. Needless to say, you won't see this at higher levels.

Just hold the pitcher from pitching until someone figures this out?

How, by calling time? Once I call time, it's too late. I don't think I can hold the pitcher up with the ball live.
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MariPoly

As the plate umpire would you get set with two runners on a base? I think I would just be in my holding zone until someone on the defense did something. The play is not over.

Another way to look at this would be that the runner from 2nd is not legally entitled to 3rd as it is occupied. She is stopped so LBR could be called.

haha then get in your delaurian (back to the future car) get up to 88 mph and WHAM your in 1955!!!

I've heard that argument made before, but I think it is questionable at best (actually, I think it is incorrect, speaking ASA).

First, 8-3-E says the second runner (the one not entitled to the base) "may be put out by being tagged..." It says nothing about any other way of being put out.

Second, the LBR speaks of the runner being "off a base", or of advancing to the next base or retreating to the previous base. I maintain that if the runner is in contact with a base (any base), the runner cannot be ruled out for a LBR violation. She may be in jeopardy of being put out for other things (occupying a base to which she is not entitled, force out, etc.), but not LBR.

Strangely, in NFHS, after a period of inactivity with no attempt to retire the runner, the umpire is to declare the ball dead and rule the runner out. See case play 8.3.3 SITUATION B.

How long would you wait? How about, ball back to pitcher and held, runners not giving in, coaches silent (sorry, not directing runner to do anything useful), plus a couple seconds?

Ummmm, wouldn't that make it a blast to the past?:confused:

Oh, the travesty!


BTW, it's De Lorean.

Official ASA Interpretation:

In this situation, when it is apparent that the pitcher is not going to make a play and the runner isn't leaving the base, the umpire is to call "Time" and return the trailing runner to the base previously touched.

or a dream bc delaurian's are extinct.... but just in case one surfaces ... get in the batmobile...;)

There's actually one in this area that I see a guy driving to work almost every morning.

Did you follow that link that celebur posted? Not only are DeLoreans apparently live and well as collectors' cars, but it is possible to have one built. Consider this line from the article; "one can buy De Loreans built from the ground up using a combination of new, original and reproduction parts for US$42,500." Also it points out that 6,500 of the original 9,000 built are still on the road. Furthermore, it states that there is a possibility that, due to the demand for the DMC-12, DMC could get back into producing new model cars. Sounds far from "extinct" to me.

There are a couple in my area, and the community I live in has a population of less that 55,000. (Heck, there is barely 100,000 in the entire county, which is 979 sq miles in area.)

Yeah, I heard about that. I forget where that company is, but they bought up all the old DeLorean stock parts. They have enough original parts to make a significant number of complete original DeLoreans, and can also fabricate more parts to make a more-or-less "hybrid" of new/original DeLoreans.

What part of Gotham City are you from?

North side. ;)

But seriously, I used to see him every morning, at least until I moved to the other side of town.

Didn't see the flux capacitor, though.