obstruction question
 

r1 on 1st. b2 hits a ground ball to f6. r1 is obstructed by f3 on the way to second. f6 flips to f4 to force r1, who then throws to 1st for double play.
How would you call this action as a base ump?

When R1 was forced out, I have a dead ball (based on delayed dead ball). R1 is awarded 2nd and Batter-Runner gets first.

thanks...do you always have a dead ball when an obstructed runner is put out between the bases that thet were obstructed?

Signal DDB, "Obstruction",
"out",
"out",
"Time out" "Obstruction, R1 stays at 2b"
"1 out"

Disagree LM. Once R1 was forced the ball is dead. No other play can occur. R1 at 2b, BR (or R2 at this point) at 1 B...no outs

Most of the time yes. There are exceptions unless the runner committed another violation and that violation is being played upon, ie missing a base or leaving to earlier on a caught fly ball. Also interference or passing another runner committed by the obstructed runner.

I sit corrected. Dholloway is correct, the ball becomes dead on the force out.

Put this one in the record book...I got one right!!! :D

thanks guys for clearing this up...my clinition likes LMSANS prior view on the ruling, which confused me re: killing it when the out occured on OBS runner...

What if you judged that R1 would not have reached 2nd even w/o the OBS?

Doesn't matter in this case, since the ball went dead with the supposed force out, the BR gets 1B, forcing R1 to 2B.

r1 on 1st. b2 hits a ground ball to f6. r1 is obstructed by f3 on the way to second.

DDB signal.

f6 flips to f4 to force r1,

"DEAD BALL" (arms up) "Obstruction - runner safe."

who then throws to 1st for double play. (irrelevant)

"batter to 1B."

Don't forget to verbalize it when you signal it.


ASA Pg 117, 3rd line.

:)

Add another angle to the play
 

Would you kill the play if you had a runner on 2b who is rounding 3b to score when the obs runner is called out at 2b?

I was hoping someone less knowing would answer first, so I should have said so.
OK, how about OBS on R1 going to 2nd, BR out at 1st, then a tag play on R1? ITUJ, R1 somehow would not have reached 2nd, OBS or not.

Answer only if you have not seen snow in the past 2 weeks ;)

Yes. Then you decide if they would have scored and award them 3rd or home. The play is dead when an obstructed runner would otherwise be out for obstruction but is not because of that obstruction.
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Yes and then award the runner or runners the bases they would have gotten had there been no OBS, so you can award that runner home if you feel they would have gotten it had there been no OBS.

Edit: Youngump must have been hitting submit when I was logging in...so I will say....ya what he said :)

Bite me, Sean! :D

Not all definitions of "declare" include an announcement, verbal or otherwise.

He||, I've seen snow in the last 2 hours! :cool:

Whoa, is the subject of verbalizing the word "obstruction" a hot button with you?

I believe we have had this conversation on this board a couple times before. :rolleyes:

;)

I know... just trying to get you to revisit it... again... and again...

:D