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Gmoore Fri Mar 21, 2008 06:46pm

How could you not call OBS the cather is clearly blocking the plate without the ball

Skahtboi Fri Mar 21, 2008 07:00pm

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Originally Posted by Dakota
At least he's not wearing shorts... :rolleyes:

Wanna bet what he would be wearing in warmer weather? :eek:

NCASAUmp Fri Mar 21, 2008 07:21pm

If the runner's progress was not impeded by F2 being where she was, I've just got an out. If she was, then I might award home based on snapshots in time and not seeing the full progression of the play.

Speaking ASA, I've got no INT on this one. Sure, she didn't "give herself up," but she also didn't crash with the fielder holding the ball. Looks like they bumped, but it appeared to be a minor bump. I'm not one of those umps that says, "you have to slide or give yourself up, or else I toss you." Contact happens, and as long as it doesn't appear to be a big crash (lowering a shoulder, shoving, body-checking, etc.), I'm not going to eject you.

She's already out on the tag, there appears to be no malicious contact, and looks like the catcher is ready to make a play on any other runners on base (if there are any). Ball's live, play on.

wadeintothem Fri Mar 21, 2008 07:44pm

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Originally Posted by Gmoore
How could you not call OBS the cather is clearly blocking the plate without the ball

Just not enough there to tell if the runner was impeded.

I agree its a possibility... that would imo be overruled by her INT anyway.

IRISHMAFIA Fri Mar 21, 2008 08:01pm

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Originally Posted by Gmoore
How could you not call OBS the cather is clearly blocking the plate without the ball

There is no rule prohibiting a fielder from blocking a base without the ball.

Now, if the runner altered her route or checked up due to the presence of the player without the ball, then you could call OBS, but that is unknown based solely on this picture.

Gmoore Sat Mar 22, 2008 01:15am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
There is no rule prohibiting a fielder from blocking a base without the ball.

Now, if the runner altered her route or checked up due to the presence of the player without the ball, then you could call OBS, but that is unknown based solely on this picture.


NFHS it is prohibited
NCAA allowed

wadeintothem Sat Mar 22, 2008 08:07am

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Originally Posted by Gmoore
NFHS it is prohibited
NCAA allowed

Not sure where you got that idea... do tell...

The rule in NFHS is essentially the same as ASA.

Gmoore Sat Mar 22, 2008 08:51am

2-36
obstruction is an act.................... unless the fielder is in possession of the ball or is making the initial play on a batted ball....

wadeintothem Sat Mar 22, 2008 09:06am

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Originally Posted by Gmoore
2-36
obstruction is an act.................... unless the fielder is in possession of the ball or is making the initial play on a batted ball....

this is not one of them rules that you can replace the entire rule with dots and still consider it as a rule..

Go ahead.. type the whole rule. You'll get it.

No more PMs about OBS.. this is best debated in public. This is how we all learn!

IRISHMAFIA Sat Mar 22, 2008 09:06am

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Originally Posted by Gmoore
2-36
obstruction is an act.................... unless the fielder is in possession of the ball or is making the initial play on a batted ball....

Trust me, you are misinterpreting what you are reading. Post the entire rule.

Dakota Sat Mar 22, 2008 09:38am

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem
this is not one of them rules that you can replace the entire rule with dots and still consider it as a rule..

Go ahead.. type the whole rule. You'll get it....

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
Trust me, you are misinterpreting what you are reading. Post the entire rule.

As a member in good standing (maybe because they don't know me from Adam...) of the NFHS Officials Association (which provides members access to the pdf rule book), I'll help...

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Rule 2 Definitions
SECTION 36 OBSTRUCTION (DEFENSE)

Obstruction is the act of the defensive team member that hinders or impedes a batter's attempt to make contact with a pitched ball or that impedes the progress of a runner or batter-runner who is legally running bases, unless the fielder is in possession of the ball or is making the initial play on a batted ball. The act may be intentional or unintentional, physical or verbal.
Please note the part I've underlined. Also, you have my permission to copy the above rule and underline the part about blocking a base.

Steve M Sat Mar 22, 2008 09:48am

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Originally Posted by Gmoore
2-36
obstruction is an act.................... unless the fielder is in possession of the ball or is making the initial play on a batted ball....

GM
Some of the others beat me to the response.
Note that there are 2 requirements for you to judge OBS occurred - and one of them is that the runner must be hindered or impeded. A runner who does not slow down or change course can't have been obstructed because the runner was not hindered or impeded. That's the part you were missing and apparently the part you did not understand.

NCASAUmp Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:45am

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Originally Posted by Dakota
...which provides members access to the pdf rule book...

And quoting someone like this, then inferring that they must have a Mac in order to have quoted the PDF rulebook, is just as silly to infer. ;)

Dakota Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:06pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp
And quoting someone like this, then inferring that they must have a Mac in order to have quoted the PDF rulebook, is just as silly to infer. ;)

I don't need no stinkin' mac! ;)

Gmoore Sat Mar 22, 2008 02:31pm

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem
this is not one of them rules that you can replace the entire rule with dots and still consider it as a rule..

Go ahead.. type the whole rule. You'll get it.

No more PMs about OBS.. this is best debated in public. This is how we all learn!


Don't worry about anymore PM's Yeah best debated in public but who likes to be poked out by other posters who think or act like the reat of the poster are below them?

I knew what how the rule read but i didnt feel like typing it all just the part I felt that made a difference for me


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