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gogobal Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:36pm

QUESTION: Softball Speed VS Baseball Speed
 
Does anyone know the calculation for the speed of a softball versus baseball. Another words, if a softball is being thrown at 55MPH what would the actual speed be if it were a baseball?:cool:
The distance being the SAME, I am writing an article and cannot find the information any where on the Internet - Thanks for your wonderful insight.

BretMan Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:46pm

Ummmm...55 miles per hour.

If something is traveling 55 mph, it is traveling 55 mph if it is a baseball, a softball, a golf ball or a banana...

Now, the time it takes to travel a given distance will be shorter if the distance is shorter!

wadeintothem Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:49pm

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Originally Posted by BretMan
Ummmm...55 miles per hour.

If something is traveling 55 mph, it is traveling 55 mph if it is a baseball, a softball, a golf ball or a banana.

Oh yeah einstein?
What about a jet plane going 55 mph vs a softball going 55 mph?

Bet ya dont know that one.

wadeintothem Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by gogobal
Does anyone know the calculation for the speed of a softball versus baseball. Another words, if a softball is being thrown at 55MPH what would the actual speed be if it were a baseball?:cool:

X=Xz / @2^+H(2)0 and uh, dont forget to carry the 1.

BretMan Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:52pm

No, but I do know which is heavier: A ton of feathers or a ton of bricks!

gogobal Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BretMan
Ummmm...55 miles per hour.

If something is traveling 55 mph, it is traveling 55 mph if it is a baseball, a softball, a golf ball or a banana...

Now, the time it takes to travel a given distance will be shorter if the distance is shorter!

The distance being the SAME, I am writing an article with Softball FAQ and cannot find the information any where on the Internet. I have asked several people, umpires, coaches, directors etc and everyone agrees that their is a calcualtion but no one seems to know the answer. Thanks Any Way.

wadeintothem Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:25am

Ah just goofin around.. that was funny though!!

There are some calculations here .. essentially 60 mph = 90 mph

http://www.abington.k12.pa.us/bujaem.../previous/Math in softball.ppt

some smart kid put that together.

semperfiguy Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:32am

Whats the old bar adage--at 10:00 she is a 2 but at 2:00 she is a 10!!:p :p

wadeintothem Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:42am

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Originally Posted by semperfiguy
Whats the old bar adage--at 10:00 she is a 2 but at 2:00 she is a 10!!:p :p

well then theres..

I never had me a 10.. but I sure had 5 good 2's!!

Stu Clary Mon Mar 03, 2008 01:08am

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Originally Posted by gogobal
...and everyone agrees that their is a calcualtion...

I don't know about that, but I'd guess that there is a calculation.

GrumpUmp Mon Mar 03, 2008 01:20am

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem
Ah just goofin around.. that was funny though!!

There are some calculations here .. essentially 60 mph = 90 mph

http://www.abington.k12.pa.us/bujaem.../previous/Math in softball.ppt

some smart kid put that together.

The correct link is:

http://www.abington.k12.pa.us/bujaem...20softball.ppt

This is indeed a Power Point presentation and is an interesting comparison of softball and baseball.

wadeintothem Mon Mar 03, 2008 01:22am

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Originally Posted by GrumpUmp
The correct link is:

http://www.abington.k12.pa.us/bujaem...20softball.ppt

This is indeed a Power Point presentation and is an interesting comparison of softball and baseball.

yeah thats it, thanks!

NewNCref Mon Mar 03, 2008 03:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by gogobal
Does anyone know the calculation for the speed of a softball versus baseball. Another words, if a softball is being thrown at 55MPH what would the actual speed be if it were a baseball?:cool:
The distance being the SAME, I am writing an article and cannot find the information any where on the Internet - Thanks for your wonderful insight.

Who ever knew that this math degree would come in handy?

Take the softball speed, multiply by the baseball pitching distance (60.5 ft for MLB), divide by the softball pitching distance (let's say 43 ft), and you've got your baseball speed.

WestMichBlue Mon Mar 03, 2008 08:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by gogobal
The distance being the SAME, I am writing an article with Softball FAQ and cannot find the information any where on the Internet. I have asked several people, umpires, coaches, directors etc and everyone agrees that their is a calcualtion but no one seems to know the answer. Thanks Any Way.

The distance is NOT the same. Softball is pitched at 40' or 53' or 46' or whatever. Baseball is pitched at 60'. But a SB moving at 55mph at any distance is moving at the same speed as a BB thrown at 55mp, regardless of the distance. Duh!

What you need to do is ask the right question. You are looking for reaction time; how much time does a SB batter have to see the pitch vs a BB batter with a ball thrown at an equivalent speed. Your question should be:

If a softball traveling at 55mp pitched from 40' gets to the plate in X seconds, what speed does a baseball travel to get to the plate in the same time.

So: SB at 55mph X 5,280'/3600 sec = 80.67 f/s /40' = 2.02 sec X 60' X 3600 / 5280 = 82.5mph BB pitch.

However - a SB pitcher will release the pitch 5' to 7' in front of the plate, while a BB pitcher releases the pitch 3' to 4' in front of the plate. A SB batter stands in the front of the box while a BB batter stands in back, another 5' difference.

So you need to compare a SB traveling about 32' vs a BB traveling about 58'.

Simple ratio, as NewNCref noted: 55 / 32 x 58 = 99.7 mph.

OK?

WMB

CajunNewBlue Mon Mar 03, 2008 08:50am

You got my respect...mathematically speaking ;)

NCASAUmp Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:00am

Well, there are multiple things to consider here. What's your bottom line? Is it: "Is it harder to hit a softball pitch vs. a baseball pitch?" Is it: "Is it harder to pitch a softball 55 MPH or a baseball 90 MPH?"

What's your goal here? :)

BretMan Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:53am

But...but...but...

Some leagues and ages don't pitch from 40 feet! Might be 35 or 43 or 46.

Baseball pitchers release the ball 3-4 feet in front of the plate? Even Randy Johnson?

Front of the batter's box versus back of the box? Every batter's a little different.

What about the cross sectional area of the ball? A softball is bigger, so there is more drag and it slows at a greater rate than the baseball. Are you ready to introduce a little calculus into your FAQ's? Probably not.

No matter which of these adjustments you make, your answer will be nothing more than a rough estimate. It's impossible to come up with a formula that takes every variable into consideration. So make it simple.

Stick with the 60 ft/40 ft ratio between the baseball and softball pitching distances. (You can forget about that darn 6 inches, since this is a rough estimate and it won't make much difference).

That's 60/40, or 3/2, or 1.5.

Using that ratio, a 55 mph softball pitch at 40 feet will reach the plate in about the same amount of time as a baseball pitch traveling:

55 mph X 1.5 = 82.5 mph

ronald Mon Mar 03, 2008 02:24pm

the mens' speed
 
Now do the math for men's fast pitch at 75-80mph from 40 feet. Them boys that can hit it have extraordinary reflexes.

Dutch Alex Mon Mar 03, 2008 03:16pm

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Originally Posted by ronald
Now do the math for men's fast pitch at 75-80mph from 40 feet. Them boys that can hit it have extraordinary reflexes.

I've played men's FP from age 13 until age 30. In between one year baseball. I still can hit a softball, but got one season long 3K in BB.
It's not only (extraordinary) reflexes, more what one is gotten used to. Having the pitch coming down from shoulder height or getting up/staying at belly-heigt...
A danish pitcher, who was in our team somewhere in the 90's, had a riser I couldn't catch. In the last five years I've faced him as a PU, still missed that pitch every time! Now he knows: When I'm the PU, he doesn't want or expect that pitch be called a strike by me...

I've never done the math for compairing BB and men's FP; I've always liked SB better than BB...

bkbjones Tue Mar 04, 2008 01:53pm

I also know that when the catcher whiffs on a fastball from a D1 pitcher or you get that pesky foul that comes looking for you and it hits you, it hurts like a (your euphanism here).

Dakota Tue Mar 04, 2008 03:37pm

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem
Oh yeah einstein?
What about a jet plane going 55 mph ...

One of three things:

1) It is on the ground, or
2) It is about to head there whether the pilot wants to or not, or
3) It is flying into a heck of a head wind (assuming you are talking about ground speed)

Skahtboi Wed Mar 05, 2008 09:36am

While we are working on complicated math problems, maybe one of you geniuses can help me with this one.

Two umpires start two games at exactly the same time. Also, two trains, one in Philadelphia heading west and one in Chicago heading east, both travelling at 65 mph leave at exactly the same time the games the umpires are umpiring started. One umpire has excellent game management skills, while the other allows teams to lolligag around while he and his partner discuss the hot moms in the stands. As a result, the lolligagging umpire ends up with a game that is tied at the end of regulation, and must go into ITB. The train from Philadelphia is aided by a headwind of 25 MPH. Now, considering all of this information, what time is beer thirty?

Steve M Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skahtboi
While we are working on complicated math problems, maybe one of you geniuses can help me with this one.

Two umpires start two games at exactly the same time. Also, two trains, one in Philadelphia heading west and one in Chicago heading east, both travelling at 65 mph leave at exactly the same time the games the umpires are umpiring started. One umpire has excellent game management skills, while the other allows teams to lolligag around while he and his partner discuss the hot moms in the stands. As a result, the lolligagging umpire ends up with a game that is tied at the end of regulation, and must go into ITB. The train from Philadelphia is aided by a headwind of 25 MPH. Now, considering all of this information, what time is beer thirty?

Scott,
That's the easiest question I've ever seen on a board. Answer = NOW.:D

NewNCref Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:24am

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Originally Posted by Steve M
Scott,
That's the easiest question I've ever seen on a board. Answer = NOW.:D

Steve,

Your solution is true, beer-thirty is now, but beer-thirty is always now. Hence, it is always beer-thirty.

And, since we both contributed to the solution, I say Scott buys us both beer.

Steve M Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewNCref
Steve,

Your solution is true, beer-thirty is now, but beer-thirty is always now. Hence, it is always beer-thirty.

And, since we both contributed to the solution, I say Scott buys us both beer.

OK, I'll drink to that.:D


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