Pesky after everything is done appeal!
 

Speaking ASA and HS. Based loaded. Batter hits HR out of park. Runner on 1st missed 2nd and when all is said and done....defense appeals. How many runs score?

How many outs were there?

Same scenario, 2 outs, but base coach physically assists B/R to touch the missed first base.

Speaking ASA

Assuming there were two outs at the time of the batted ball (since there is no reason to pose such a question with anything less) and assuming the appeal by the defense is R5 missing 2nd base, 2 runs score.

Sorry, 2 outs

R5??? ;)

For me, this year, I've got no outs. Then again, that's a SP-only rule. ;)

Walk 'em off, guys. Next batter.

Otherwise, yeah. What Mike said.

Yep, went to a good school and learned how to count :p

OK, I'll buy R5 on 1B (B1 and B2 made the two outs, and R3, R4, and R5 are on base) at the time B6 hits the HR.

But R5 was forced to 2nd. If she missed it and was properly appealed, then it's the third out and no runs score. Or am I completely wrong and confused?

You are incorrect in runner nomenclature. Unless you went to Mike's school, that is. ;)

Since it was a home run, there are no force outs available. BR does not score since she is a trailing runner behind the runner appealed for the third out.

Boys and girls, I'm going to back up and change my call.

Thought too quick of this being a "dead" ball. However, in FP & Masters and Senior SP, they are still required to run the bases as if the ball were live.

With a proper appeal that determined the runner did not advance to the base forced by the batter becoming a BR.

I found the play above in last year's case book under rule 5. No runs score.

Oops... (for me, not Mike...)

My call would be determined if I actually saw the runner miss second base. If I don't see it, I can't call it even with a proper appeal. :eek:

No scores.

No runs score.

Silly me! I'm now confused. Runner missing a base is an appeal call. Considered safe until appeal is made? Because the runner is "forced" to advance and running past the base, isn't that considered to be safe unless appealed? Same as leaving too soon on tag up ..... now becomes a timed play? I speaking FP, ASA. Where in book can I find the specifics on this?

Which part? Appeal, force, time play, missed base, base left too soon.....

If you want specifics, you need to be the same, please.

Mike's referring to 8-7-G and 5-5-B-1.

Considered safe until and unless properly appealed; but that DOESN'T change the fundamental nature of the play. A timing play remains a timing play, and the time is the time of the appeal. The failure of the batter-runner to safely reach first base with two outs means runs do not score. A base that must be touched as a result of the batter becoming a batter-runner remains a force if not touched, and the result of that force is unchanged.

And bear in mind there is a difference between R3 failing to touch 2B (but touches the rest) and R3 missing 3B (but touches 2B and HP). The first case is a force out, but the second case is not.

Yes Rule 1 Appeal Play; RS 1.A.1

Yes Rule 8.3.B

Being forced is irrelevant to this portion of the play. Rest of the question already answered.

Two different types of appeal. An appeal on a tag up is ALWAYS a timing play.

Rules 1, 5 & 8; RS 1, 21, 46