How to handle this oops
ASA Jo ball
1 out, R1 on 3rd. I'm on the bases. PU is a newer guy in his 2nd year. Overall a pretty good umpire, but still green. Ground ball to short who throws to 1st for the routine 2nd out. As she throws, the runner from 3rd takes off for home. The 1st baseman throws home for the bang bang play at the plate and........The PU is starting to walk away from the play towards 3rd and isn't watching! There is nobody to make a call. I call time. By this time, the PU realizes his mistake. We get together and he tells me that he thought the out at first was the 3rd out. I asked him if he saw the play at home and he said that he didn't see it very well. I watched the play from my position and it looked like she was tagged out, but she easily could have been under the tag. There was no way for me to tell from where I was. What would you do? I'll wait for some responses before I tell you the rest of the story. |
you tell your partner what you saw, then PU makes the call...and lives with what follows....
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And may I add, prepare for a well deserved *** chewing! |
But Blue... You called time!!
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Well, if neither umpire is sure of the out, there is only one other option and it isn't a "do over".
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thanks for the quick responses.
I didn't call time until after the play. I know not really necessary since there was no one else on base. Here is what we/I did. Right or wrong After discussing things with the PU. I decided that I would make the call. I did see the play and even though I was several feet away, I decided to call what I saw which was an out. Had I not been looking, I'm not sure what I would have done. I thought "This is no different then making a decision on a trap/no trap diving catch in the outfield." and I know that when doing one man, we sometimes end up making a call from a lot further away then we want to be, so an out was recorded. Both coaches were very good. I know that it could have been ugly. Neither coach had a problem with the call and the game went on. As for my partner. I'm pretty sure he learned his lesson. He apologized several times and does a decent job, so hopefully this doesn't cause him a setback. |
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Sentences and paragraphs are typically read like a time line...with the events happening in the order they are spoken/typed/written. Since a bang bang play at the plate was written before he called time, I'm going on the assumption that the "play" in question happened before he called time, since it is written that way. |
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Don't guess an out. If you don't SEE a tag, you don't HAVE a tag. |
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Now, I have never done anything like that. Er hmm, cough cough.:rolleyes: (Seriously) I have done that only in an adult game when it was very friendly and everyone was in on the gag. |
Yes I thought it was an out. From my vantage point, it looked like an out. Was I 100% sure that it was an out, no. Since I was far away, her hand COULD have slipped in. I'm sure we have all made calls that we wern't 100% on.
I understand that we never want to guess somebody being out, but I think that calling her safe because "nobody saw it" would have led to more trouble then me calling what I saw. |
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I know, we don't get paid for safes. We do get paid to get them right, and if they're not 100% out, then they can't be out. |
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